cildë

saw

cildë _("k")_pa.t. vb.? "saw" (???) The phrase úri kilde hísen níe nienaite is translated "the Sun with wet eyes dropped tears of mist", literally perhaps something like "the Sun saw (through) misty tears tearfully"??? (MC:221; this is "Qenya"; cf. cildo)

söa

noun. filth

Cognates

• S. saw “filth, putrescence” ✧ PE17/183

Derivations

• ✶sawā “filth” ✧ PE17/183
  • √SAW “disgusting, foul, vile; bad, unhealthy, ill, wretched” ✧ PE17/183

Phonetic Developments

Development	Stages	Sources
✶sawā > söa	[sawā] > [soa]	✧ PE17/183

sáva

juice

sáva noun "juice" (SAB)

eques

saying, dictum, a quotation from someone's uttered words, a current or proverbial dictum

eques (equess-, as in pl. equessi) noun "a saying, dictum, a quotation from someone's uttered words, a current or proverbial dictum" (WJ:392); I Equessi Rúmilo "the Sayings of Rúmil" (WJ:398)

pirya

juice, syrup

pirya noun "juice, syrup" (PIS)

sarma

noun. saw

Cognates

• ᴺS. tharf “saw”

Derivations

• √THAR “*across, beyond, [ᴹ√] across, beyond”

Element in

• ᴺQ. carcasarma “large saw”

saw

noun. filth

_n. _filth, putrescence. Tolkien seems to have rejected the root SAWA, noting: "No. THAW-, cruel. saura, cruel. Gorthaur-."

saw

noun. filth, putrescence

Cognates

• Q. söa “filth” ✧ PE17/183

Derivations

• ✶sawā “filth” ✧ PE17/183
  • √SAW “disgusting, foul, vile; bad, unhealthy, ill, wretched” ✧ PE17/183

Phonetic Developments

Development	Stages	Sources
✶sawā > saw	[sawā] > [sawa] > [saw] > [sau]	✧ PE17/183

paich

noun. juice, syrup

tíra-

verb. to see

Element in

• S. edregol e aníra tírad i Cherdir Perhael (i sennui Panthael estathar aen) Condir i Drann “in especial he desires to see Master Samwise (who should be called Fullwise) Mayor of the Shire” ✧ AotM/062; SD/129
• ᴺS. tírad “vision, seeing”

nîdh

noun. juice, [N.] honeycomb; [S.] juice

A noun for “juice” appearing in 1970 green-ink revisions to the Outline of Phonology (OP2), derived from ✶negdē “exudation” based on the root √NEG “ooze, drip”; its Quenya cognate was Q. nehtë “honey” (PE19/91). Sindarin nîdh was a later iteration of N. {nēdh >>} nīdh “honeycomb” in The Etymologies of the 1930s which had essentially the same derivation (EtyAC/NEG). This in turn was a later form of G. nectha “honey comb” in the Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s (GL/60), cognate to ᴱQ. nekte “honey” and hence derived from the early root ᴱ√NEHE having to do with bees and honey (QL/65).

Neo-Sindarin: For purposes of Neo-Sindarin, I’d use nîdh with its earlier meaning “honeycomb”. For “juice” I’d use other words like [N.] saw and [ᴺS.] paich (adapted from N. peich).

Cognates

• Q. nehtë “honey, honey; [ᴹQ.] honeycomb” ✧ PE19/091

Derivations

• ✶negdē “exudation” ✧ PE19/091
  • √NEG “‽ooze, drip, ooze, drip; *honey” ✧ PE19/091

Phonetic Developments

Development	Stages	Sources
✶negdē > nîdh	[negdē] > [neidē] > [neide] > [nīde] > [nīðe] > [nīð]	✧ PE19/091

Variations

• nîdh ✧ PE19/091

nîdh

noun. juice

juice

saw

juice

1) saw (i haw, o saw), pl. soe (i soe). In ”Noldorin”, the pl. was sui (LR:385 s.v. SAB). 2) *paich (i baich, o phaich) (syrup), pl. pîch (i phîch). The source (LR:382 s.v. PIS) cites the archaic form peich.

saw

juice

(i haw, o saw), pl. soe (i soe). In ”Noldorin”, the pl. was sui (LR:385 s.v. SAB).

tharf

noun. saw

Cognates

• ᴺQ. sarma “saw”

Derivations

• √THAR “*across, beyond, [ᴹ√] across, beyond”

paich

juice

(i baich, o phaich) (syrup), pl. pîch (i phîch). The source (LR:382 s.v. PIS) cites the archaic form peich.

saw

root. disgusting, foul, vile; bad, unhealthy, ill, wretched

Changes

• SAW → ÞAW ✧ PE17/068
• SAWA → THAW “disgusting, foul, vile” ✧ PE17/184

Derivatives

• ✶sawā “filth” ✧ PE17/183
  • Q. söa “filth” ✧ PE17/183
  • S. saw “filth, putrescence” ✧ PE17/183
• Q. sau- “very badly” ✧ PE17/183
• Q. saura “cruel, evil, vile; stinking, foul; bad, unhealthy, ill, wretched, stinking, foul, [ᴹQ.] evil-smelling, putrid; [Q.] cruel, evil, vile; [Q.] bad, unhealthy, ill, wretched” ✧ PE17/172; PE17/183
• S. saur “bad (of food), putrid” ✧ PE17/183
• S. thaur “abominable, horrible” ✧ PE17/172

Variations

• SAWA ✧ PE17/172 (SAWA); PE17/183; PE17/184 (SAWA)

sawā

noun. filth

Derivations

• √SAW “disgusting, foul, vile; bad, unhealthy, ill, wretched” ✧ PE17/183

Derivatives

• Q. söa “filth” ✧ PE17/183
• S. saw “filth, putrescence” ✧ PE17/183

saw

noun. juice

saw

noun. juice

A noun in The Etymologies of the late 1930s glossed “juice” from the root ᴹ√SAB of the same meaning (Ety/SAB).

Conceptual Development: G. gwâs “juice” from the Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s is a possible precursor (GL/44).

Cognates

• ᴹQ. sáva “juice” ✧ Ety/SAB

Derivations

• On. sōba “juice” ✧ Ety/SAB
  • ᴹ√SAB “juice” ✧ Ety/SAB

Phonetic Developments

Development	Stages	Sources
On. sōba > saw	[sǭba] > [souba] > [souva] > [sauva] > [sauv] > [sau]	✧ Ety/SAB
On. sōba > sui	[sǭbi] > [soubi] > [souvi] > [sauvi] > [suiv] > [sui]	✧ Ety/SAB

peich

noun. juice, syrup