Elvorals

I began writing on Goodreads and entering the short story of the month contest. One of the topics, "Mythical Creatures," received good reviews, and I have continued the story. Tolkien's writings didn't delve into Avariels, which is the center of my storyline. Elf to English translator has offered some help. However, I know the followers of this site would be vastly disappointed in those translations. The story revolves around a prophecy of my creation, but I have trouble with the Quenya translation. Perhaps some words don't work. The Prophecy: An Avariel of elven birth will defeat the evil of Middle Earth. Wings of silver with bands of gold, eyes of green, and spirit bold. Wielding melee in its grasp, with sword and bow skills unsurpassed. With courage and a steadfast love, it will protect the earth and skies above." the translation "Aril tel-quessir -o elven nost will defeat i evil -o en coe. Wings -o mithril with bands -o mal plural mel, eyes -o calen, a mán cand. Wielding melee in its grasp, with magol a peng skills unsurpassed. With caun a boron mel, ha will beri- i coe a skies or. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated

Thank you for your great input and for correcting my errors. Väenersoron is from the Qyenya Väener and Soron. I did not know Thorondan existed, as that would fit perfectly in my storyline. Meldarion was only the name I created for my character. But things can be changed lol. Meldarion had wings and was a valiant Warrior, so perhaps a name that reflected those elements. I really am trying hard to research and study more of Tolkien's writings.

Väenersoron is from the Qyenya Väener and Soron.

I'm not familiar with Quenya, but I could not find any Quenya word "vaëner" in the dictionary, so I'm not sure what source you've been using. Also names cannot be formed by simply combining words; there are specific rules (not sure what they are in Quenya but I'm sure there are many, as there are a lot in Sindarin). If you wish to study Tolkien's languages in more depth, please seek to learn the grammar and rules first before you take it upon yourself to form names and translations.

I did not know Thorondan existed

Just to clarify, Thoronadan/Thoronedain does not technically exist as attested by Tolkien; I created this name.

Meldarion was only the name I created for my character. But things can be changed lol. Meldarion had wings and was a valiant Warrior, so perhaps a name that reflected those elements

What did you intend for "Meldarion" to mean when you crafted this name? I can better form a name if you could tell me more precisely what you want it to mean.

As mentioned, Meldarion had wings and was a valiant Warrior, additionally, he is Elroval. I pulled those names out of the Qyenya Dictionary found in www.ambar-eldaron.com

I realize that your story is not necessarily supposed to match Tolkien’s legendarium perfectly, but all elves in Middle-earth are naturally immortal, so this wouldn’t exactly be valid. Just wanted to let you know.

I understood that Elves' immortality was subject to death in battle or heartache. The gift bestowed on Gwaeriel because of the loss of her husband Meldarion protected her from death including heartache and injury.

Thoronadan from the Sindarin Thoron [Theryn] eagle and adan [edan] man possibly adding maethor or maethyr [warrior]making the name thoronadan maethyr but using Quedya soron [sornë] (Þ) eagle vaënor [nèr] man and mahtar [warrior]

Meldarion Quenya Melda [loved beloved] rie [enduring] on [stone]

But I appreciate your advice and assistance and understand the intricacies in properly making the name to fit the individual

I understood that Elves' immortality was subject to death in battle or heartache. The gift bestowed on Gwaeriel because of the loss of her husband Meldarion protected her from death including heartache and injury.

I see; apologies for the misunderstanding.

Thoronadan from the Sindarin Thoron [Theryn] eagle and adan [edan] man possibly adding maethor or maethyr [warrior]making the name thoronadan maethyr but using Quedya soron [sornë] (Þ) eagle vaënor [nèr] man and mahtar [warrior]
Meldarion Quenya Melda [loved beloved] rie [enduring] on [stone]

I would offer:

• Aravell (dear/beloved king)
• Arroval (winged king)
• Maethorroval (winged warrior)
• Ar(a)thoron (eagle king)

note: roval has the connotation of a great eagle wing, so it might not be necessary to use thoron “eagle” directly

I pulled those names out of the Qyenya Dictionary found in www.ambar-eldaron.com

Just a curious question: are you French/French-speaking? The default language of that site is French, and if French is your native language I could just reply to you in French if that is much easier for you.

@Gwilithiel FIrgive me I just saw your reply. I think Aratári Arvaethiel is the name I have used to replace Aerdrie Faenya, as it seems to be more inline and removes the fandom references. Meldarion (I might keep that name for the character as it seems to flow better, but I might change it later as the story evolves) is not a king, or rather wasn't a king, as he died in the story before the end of the war, and Aratári wasn't given her immortality and made queen over middle earth until after the war. Sadly I don't speak French, and lol sometimes I have difficulty with English which its my native language.

I have been studying much of the information you provided, and I now have the complete Quenya English and Sindarin English dictionaries to help me. I am curious, though. The Dictionary lists Erid as grey, but Erid can also be holy, which works well in either case. is it acceptable to say "in the Osgarthad, of FormBrilbar, deep in the Erid Mytherin?

In the Tolkien books, Rivendell is the home of the Quenya elves, though, as explained previously, most of Middle Earth spoke Sindarin. I think I will use the dictionaries to craft translations for the main character and the elven living on Earth, and Sindarin for the ones living in FormBrilbar. It also works with the storyline, as Aerwyn has to learn to speak both Quenya and Sindarin as her character develops.

I think Aratári Arvaethiel is the name I have used to replace Aerdrie Faenya

I thought we had agreed on the name Gwaeriel Arvaethel? But in any case you shouldn't mash together Quenya and Sindarin names. You can have both (Galadriel for instance had both Quenya and Sindarin names but of course they were separate), but they should not be joined as one.

Meldarion (I might keep that name for the character as it seems to flow better, but I might change it later as the story evolves)

I would advise against keeping this, as from what I can see it doesn't seem like a properly formed name, and it isn't good to be using something incorrect. From your previous comments regarding the name Meldarion, I could offer:

• Turvellion (victorious beloved son/man)
• Mellond (beloved stone)
• Mellorn (beloved valor)

The Dictionary lists Erid as grey, but Erid can also be holy, which works well in either case. is it acceptable to say "in the Osgarthad, of FormBrilbar, deep in the Erid Mytherin?

Not sure where you're getting this from, but "Erid" does not mean "grey" in any Tolkien language from what I've seen. I presume you are referring to Ered Mithrin. Ered is the Gondorian Sindarin plural of orod (mountain), and Mithrin is the pluralized adjective mithren meaning "grey".

I think I will use the dictionaries to craft translations for the main character and the elven living on Earth

I highly don't recommend you actually form translations yourself, because based off of what you have said previously in this thread it doesn't seem like you have much understanding of the grammar of Quenya or Sindarin at all. The grammar of both these languages are quite different from English, so direct translation using dictionaries will yield absolute gibberish. If you truly would like to study these languages, and not solely for use of mere translation, then I suggest you start looking into resources like those linked in the "About" page of this site, as well as in r/sindarin and r/quenya, to learn the inner workings of the Eldarin languages.

I can see that I need to delve into the about pages, as you suggested. Going back and forth trying to remove all fandom and D&D references have become quite complicated. I agree with your recommendations, but please have patience with me. I really am trying. Yes, I now understand that "Mashing" words from the two dictionaries [queen]will not work. I did change Meldarion to Eldarion Noraf. in my efforts to reply to you, I inverted Mountian [Erid] and Mitherin [Grey]Aratári Ara [Noble] tári [queen].l My thoughts were more on using a name close to Guadriel, but I now see it was a cross between the two languages. I will work on this more and, if I may, seek guidance as I move forward. Thank you again.

I agree with your recommendations, but please have patience with me. I really am trying.

I understand, and I am only trying my best to help you. :)

I did change Meldarion to Eldarion Noraf.

Eldarion is an already existing name meaning "son of the Elves". I'm not sure if that's what you intend? Also, this name is in fact the name of Aragorn and Arwen's son, which could create confusion. And beyond the point of confusion, Elves never reuse names of other Elves according to Elven naming traditions, so I'm not too sure if you'd really want to follow through with that. Not entirely sure what you combined to create "noraf" ( nór?), but if you want to construct names I can help you with that. I suggest you actually learn more about the Eldarin languages before crafting names.

You are correct. That was not my intention at all. I found the name in the Tolkien Names for male adult elves and thought it was an easy change since it was similar to Meldarion, but now I understand it can't work. Noraf (of the north or from the north) The character was a great Maethyr, he had wings, but he was not made a royal, as the character was presumed to die before the end of the great war. His wife was not made Immortal until after the war ended.

Aratári is Quendi, as written in my manuscript, had a Quendi first name and a Sindarin last name, as she was given the name to be a bridge between all the elves and rule over Middle Earth, but again that might not work either. so much to learn.....

Noraf (of the north or from the north)

Quenya: forna
Sindarin: forod
(These can't be used as stand-alone names, but can be annexed into a name)

a Quendi first name and a Sindarin last name

Elves don't have first and last names like we do. I can dive deeper into Elvish naming traditions in a separate comment if you'd like, but to sum up Elves have multiple separate names. For instance, Galadriel also has a Quenya name Artanis "noble woman", but that name is separate from her Sindarin name Galadriel "lady crowned with radiance".