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Meldarion #2676

I began writing on Goodreads and entering the short story of the month contest. One of the topics, "Mythical Creatures," received good reviews, and I have continued the story. Tolkien's writings didn't delve into Avariels, which is the center of my storyline. Elf to English translator has offered some help. However, I know the followers of this site would be vastly disappointed in those translations. The story revolves around a prophecy of my creation, but I have trouble with the Quenya translation. Perhaps some words don't work. The Prophecy: An Avariel of elven birth will defeat the evil of Middle Earth. Wings of silver with bands of gold, eyes of green, and spirit bold. Wielding melee in its grasp, with sword and bow skills unsurpassed. With courage and a steadfast love, it will protect the earth and skies above." the translation "Aril tel-quessir -o elven nost will defeat i evil -o en coe. Wings -o mithril with bands -o mal plural mel, eyes -o calen, a mán cand. Wielding melee in its grasp, with magol a peng skills unsurpassed. With caun a boron mel, ha will beri- i coe a skies or. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated

Meldarion #2703

@ Gilruin The information once again was far more than anticipated and much appreciated. It seems that in order to maintain the parameters created in the Tolkien works; I will need to abandon the D&D verbiage, re-write my character names, and edit the storyline. I did not realize so much went into the language so as to even conscript the structures of names. If I intend to create a land in the far north of Middle Earth, then It would be improper to cross anything from Fandom into Tolkien’s world. I fear my “Google Search of certain things may have crossed over too many derivatives, so maybe a thorough cleaning is in order.

@Aldaleon, thank you for the suggestions; I will take them seriously and use all the information to bring my storyline to a more acceptable level.

@Gwilithiel The translations and suggestions you provided are great, and I find them interesting substitutions. It definitely sparked my creative juices,

• Avariel -- Elroval (winged elf) This was really great, but I need to establish two guilds,, a warrior and an artisan guild. There might even be a guild for musical creativity, instrumental, and voice.

• Aerdrie Faenya -- Gwaeriel (crowned lady of the wind, based on her title Lady of the Air and Wind) is wonderful, which could be added as a prefix or suffix to make her a demi-goddess and immortal. In my storyline, she also needs to be a valiant warrior, and because of her efforts to protect the humans of Middle Earth, she was given control of passage between Middle Earth and The Earth of modern-day humans. •
• Seldarine -- Tórovod (fellowship/community of the forest) would be great if it might be changed slightly to rein from frozen mountains of the north on a barrier between the followers of the Dark Realm banished to the frozen wastelands and the tribes of Elves, Dwarves, Mer-folk, to the lands of Middle earth conscribed to one-hundred years of lasting peace following the last war. •
• Faerûn -- Rhovandail (beautiful wilderness) is it possible to make it beautiful snow-covered northern mountains. •
• Sundabar -- Osgarthad (defending fort/citadel) works fantastic • Aerie of the Snow Eagles -- Brilbar (crystal house/home) is beautiful but might it be found in the far north?

I truly appreciate everything you have taken the time to offer. I am trying to see just how much re-writing I need to do and how much could be a simple substitutional rewrite.\

Gwilithiel #2704

This was really great, but I need to establish two guilds, a warrior and an artisan guild. There might even be a guild for musical creativity, instrumental, and voice.

You could use elrovalrim for the Avariel people (elroval for a singular Avariel), with the different guilds as follows:

  • Maethyr = warriors (or maybe othrim, “army”)
  • Tain = smiths/crafters/artisans
  • Linnyr = singers

Gwaeriel is wonderful, which could be added as a prefix or suffix to make her a demi-goddess and immortal. In my storyline, she also needs to be a valiant warrior, and because of her efforts to protect the humans of Middle Earth, she was given control of passage between Middle Earth and The Earth of modern-day humans

All elves are by default immortal (although they can die of grief or be slain in battle) so there would be no need to add any immortal element to any elf’s name. There is no prefix or suffix meaning “goddess”; however there is a prefix ar(a)- meaning “noble, royal” that is used for figures of that sort. Using this, I can create another name Arvaethel (noble [female] warrior/fighter), making Queen Faenya’s full name Gwaeriel Arvaethel, which mirrors the structure of the name of the Varda Elbereth Gilthoniel.

Tórovod would be great if it might be changed slightly to rein from frozen mountains of the north on a barrier between the followers of the Dark Realm banished to the frozen wastelands and the tribes of Elves, Dwarves, Mer-folk, to the lands of Middle earth conscribed to one-hundred years of lasting peace following the last war.

In Middle Earth, the north most mountain range is the Grey Mountains (Ered Mithrin), so perhaps this should be incorporated. I would offer Mitheredwaith or Mitheredrim (Grey Mountain folk/people).

Is it possible to make it beautiful snow-covered northern mountains?

Tying back to the aforementioned idea of the Grey Mountains, I’m not too sure if I need to make a word for Faerûn. The area around the Grey Mountains is called Forodwaith (north-region), if you’d like to use that in addition to Ered Mithrin.

Brilbar is beautiful but might it be found in the far north?

Sure, I offer Formbrilbar (Northern crystal house/home).

Meldarion #2705

Thank you very much for the research and time spent in responding, These are great, and with your permission, I will use these to edit my storyline. I've decided to continue with the family of elves living on earth to speak Quenya and separate them from the Elroval to use the Sindarin to facilitate the main character's coming of age and learning to speak the language of her ancestors. There are dragons in my book. They are the mentors and maintain order within the communities they serve, additionally, they intervene in situations where the elves living on the Present day earth are exposed, and restore anonymity. There are no speaking dragons that I have found in Tolkien's works so Im not sure how this can be entwined.

Gwilithiel #2706

There are no speaking dragons that I have found in Tolkien's works so Im not sure how this can be entwined.

That is not true. In The Hobbit, Smaug the Dragon speaks to Bilbo, and it doesn't seem unlikely that dragons all spoke, as they were created as intelligent war beasts by Morgoth. However, because this was their origin in Middle-earth, they were malicious, greedy creatures that would rob civilizations of treasure and drive peoples from their lands. Thus, it would be nice to include an explanation for how the dragons of the Elrovalrim might have escaped the corruption of Morgoth. (I'd love for there to be some kind dragons in Middle-earth, although there are no canonical instances.) Luckily, Tolkien mythology does support the idea of dragons in the north, as after most dragons were slain in the War of Wrath, the few surviving ones fled to the far north of Middle Earth and thrived there.

Meldarion #2707

@ Gwithiel Wow, great news. The dragons in my storyline are the opposite; however, they are the remaining survivors of war, so they would fit in. I will have to rewrite the part to explain the transference of evil to good, but that's part of writing. Re-writing this is challenging but fun, and I would be happy to provide acknowledgment in my book preface to Gwilithiel and Gilruin for the assistance provided. And now, one last issue..... The Aarackocra, did any of Tolkien's writings ever mention creatures of this nature? They play a pivotal role in my story, but I don't know how to integrate them and still maintain integrity in relation to Tolkien's Middle Earth.

Gwilithiel #2710

I don’t believe there are any half-bird half-human type creatures in Tolkien’s works; however, there are the Great Eagles who aided the Fellowship of the Ring against Sauron in the War of the Ring (Lord of the Rings). Perhaps you could include them?

Röandil #2711

At this point, why not write your own original story? Seems like a lot of effort to fit non-Tolkienian mythology and cosmology into Tolkien's work.

Meldarion #2712

@Gwilithiel I remember the giant eagles, and they will fit in well with my storyline. Part of the Maeythyr training revolves around the half-Human half-eagle beings. It might be a slight turn from the pure Tolkien boundaries, but I intend to give them integrity and honor without appearing like a sci-fi makeover. I am working hard to keep the basis of this story in tune with the Elda prescribed here and not a fandom-style gaming venue.

@ Röandil, Thank you for your suggestion. However, as my intent was to use the Tolkien-based genre, I will change and rewrite my storyline to conform to his version of Middle earth Elda and use my creative freedom to pursue my desired direction. The storyline will be my own and not an extension of his works. But I wish for it to contain his bravura.

Meldarion #2721

I offer, for review, a preface to my story. It is not a true Tolkien story, but I tried to align it as a branch, as a new direction. I appreciate the help many here have given.

The War of Wrath was raging, and the carnage was insurmountable. Some of the Humans were captured and forced to fight for Morgoth, while the rest stood alongside the Edhellen, fighting to free the lands from evil. Gwaer knew inwardly that Morogth’s defeat and the humans’ salvation were the reason for the awakening. But in witnessing their inner strength and spirit, though they possessed no magical abilities, understood the value of Humans. When victory seemed within reach, Morogth’s Dragons appeared and tipped the scales in his favor. Crouched over a small fire, Gwaeriel and her husband Meldarion, exhausted from the day’s fighting, beseeched Eru for help.

Her pleas were answered, and Eru bestowed them with wings. While her army slept, her Edhellen were transformed into Elrovalrim (winged elves). While the balance of the humans and the army of Edhellen led by Eärendel fought on the ground against the armies of Morgoth and his dragons, Gwaeriel, with Meldarion beside her, led her armies to fight from the skies.

The losses on both sides were great. When Eärendel killed the most fierce and largest dragon, Ancalagon the black, the moral of the Edhellen were renewed. In the end, Morgoth was bound and cast into the timeless void, ending the war.

Gwaeriel, after the fall of her husband Meldarion, led the remaining Elrovalrim to the far north and established a fortress, of Formbrilbar, in the northernmost Grey Mountains among the Giant Eagles and Väenersoron, a tribe of creatures with the torso of a man and the Head and wings of an Eagle.

Because of Gwaeriel’s efforts to protect the humans, Eru endowed her with immortality so the loss of her husband would not overtake her, and death would no longer be a threat. She became Gwaeriel Arvaethel, guardian of Middle earth and high Elrovalrim.

The remaining dragons migrated north. No longer under the control of Morgoth, their intuition turned them away from the savagery of war to reason. Coming before Gwaeriel, they asked to make the Grey Mountains home and pledged to serve Gwaeriel in maintaining peace..

A thousand years passed, and peace prevailed over middle earth. Most of the Edhil traveled to Valar as a reward for their service to Eru, the ones who remained flourished, and the lands returned to the beauty and ambiance that existed prior to the Wars. Morgoth’s followers were held to the west, in Mordor, bordered by the Ephel Dúath and Ash mountains. Because they had no magical abilities for defense, Gwaeriel Athvaethel joined the remaining humans with those on Earth, and in time, the inhabitants of Middle Earth became legion and folklore. But…. a new age was before them

Gwilithiel #2722

Edhellen is an adjective and cannot be used for the elves as a people. The proper word for this is Edhil.

Väenersoron

I’m not sure where you got this name and what language it is, but if it is not any form of Eldarin (I’m guessing it is not) I can offer Thoronedain (singular Thoronadan) meaning “eagle-men”.

Because of Gwaeriel’s efforts to protect the humans, Eru endowed her with immortality so the loss of her husband would not overtake her, and death would no longer be a threat.

I realize that your story is not necessarily supposed to match Tolkien’s legendarium perfectly, but all elves in Middle-earth are naturally immortal, so this wouldn’t exactly be valid. Just wanted to let you know.

Meldarion

I’m not sure where you got this name either; it seems like an odd mash-up of Sindarin and/or Quenya elements (-ion and meldë or meldir perhaps). I offer a more suitable combination of these elements in Sindarin (with consideration that the name is for a king): Arvellion (noble dear son).