talan

floor, base, ground

talan (talam-, e.g. pl. talami) noun "floor, base, ground" (TALAM)

talan

noun. flat space, platform, flat space, platform; [ᴹQ.] floor, ground

A word for a “flat space, platform” in notes on Words, Phrases and Passages from the Lord of the Rings, cognate to S. talan and derived from ✶talam (PE17/52). In The Etymologies of the 1930s, ᴹQ. talan was glossed “floor, ground” under the root ᴹ√TALAM “floor, base, ground” (Ety/TALAM).

Neo-Quenya: For purposes of Neo-Quenya, I would use talan as a general word for a constructed “floor” or “platform” both with and without walls and possibly above ground level as well, but for natural “ground” I would use [ᴹQ.] hún (QL/39).

Cognates

• S. talan “platform, flat space, flet [Middle English = ‘floor’]” ✧ PE17/052; PE17/052; PE17/052

Derivations

• ✶talam “floor; flat space, platform, floor; flat space, platform, [ᴹ✶] ‘flet’; ground” ✧ PE17/052
  • √TALAM “flat space, flat space, [ᴹ√] floor, ground; base, root, foundation”
• √TALAM “flat space, flat space, [ᴹ√] floor, ground; base, root, foundation” ✧ PE17/052

Element in

• ᴺQ. ettalan “balcony”
• ᴺQ. luttalan “raft, (lit.) floating platform”

Phonetic Developments

Development	Stages	Sources
✶talam- > talan	[talam] > [talan]	✧ PE17/052
√talam > talan	[talam] > [talan]	✧ PE17/052

talma

noun. flat space, platform

A variant of talan (talam-) “flat space, platform” in notes on Words, Phrases and Passages from the Lord of the Rings (PE17/52).

Neo-Quenya: I would not use this word for this purpose in Neo-Quenya, since elsewhere talma was used for “basis, base, foundation, root” (PE21/80; Ety/TAL).

Cognates

• S. talan “platform, flat space, flet [Middle English = ‘floor’]” ✧ PE17/052
• S. talf “wang, flat field, topographical flat area” ✧ PE17/052

Derivations

• ✶talam “floor; flat space, platform, floor; flat space, platform, [ᴹ✶] ‘flet’; ground” ✧ PE17/052
  • √TALAM “flat space, flat space, [ᴹ√] floor, ground; base, root, foundation”
• √TALAM “flat space, flat space, [ᴹ√] floor, ground; base, root, foundation” ✧ PE17/052

Element in

• Q. Nindatalma “Wetwang, Nindalf” ✧ PE17/052

Phonetic Developments

Development	Stages	Sources
✶talam- > talma	[talama] > [talma]	✧ PE17/052
√talam > talma	[talama] > [talma]	✧ PE17/052

Variations

• talma ✧ PE17/052; PE17/052

sandastan

shield-barrier

sandastan noun "shield-barrier", a battle-formation (UT:282; probably with stem sandastam_- since the final element is derived from a stem stama- "bar, exclude". Compare _talan with stem talam- from the root TALAM.)

sandastan

noun. shield-barrier

Cognates

• S. thangail “shield-fence, shield-wall” ✧ UT/281

Elements

Word	Gloss
sanda	“shield”
?

cólo

burden

cólo ("k")noun "burden" (VT39:10)

cólo

noun. burden

Derivations

• √KOL “bear, carry, wear” ✧ VT39/10

Element in

• ᴺQ. colonda “burdened, weighed down, sad”

Phonetic Developments

Development	Stages	Sources
√KOL > kólo	[kōlo]	✧ VT39/10

Variations

• kólo ✧ VT39/10

talan

noun. wooden platform (in the trees of Lothlórien where the Galadhrim dwelt)

talan

flat space

pl1. telain** **_ n. _flat space, platform. Q. talan or talma. >> tâl

talan

noun. platform, flat space, flet [Middle English = ‘floor’]

A noun Tolkien described as a “flet” (Middle English for “floor”) applied to the elevated wooden platforms the Elves of Lórien had in trees from The Lord of the Rings (LotR/342). In notes on Words, Phrases and Passages from the Lord of the Rings, Tolkien said its proper meaning was a “flat space, platform” and it was derived from primitive ✶talam (PE17/52). It seems this word applies to an elevated platform without walls, as opposed to a floor within a building which would be [N.] panas (Ety/PAN). In theory the final n of talan would be lost, but it was likely restored by analogy with its plural form telain.

Conceptual Development: This word appeared as N. talan “flet” in Lord of the Rings drafts of the 1940s (TI/227).

Cognates

• Q. talan “flat space, platform, flat space, platform; [ᴹQ.] floor, ground” ✧ PE17/052; PE17/052; PE17/052
• Q. talma “flat space, platform” ✧ PE17/052

Derivations

• ✶talam “floor; flat space, platform, floor; flat space, platform, [ᴹ✶] ‘flet’; ground” ✧ PE17/052
  • √TALAM “flat space, flat space, [ᴹ√] floor, ground; base, root, foundation”
• √TALAM “flat space, flat space, [ᴹ√] floor, ground; base, root, foundation” ✧ PE17/052

Element in

• ᴺS. lothalan “raft, (lit.) floating platform”

Phonetic Developments

Development	Stages	Sources
✶talam- > talan	[talam] > [talan]	✧ PE17/052
✶talam- > telain	[talani] > [teleni] > [telein] > [telain]	✧ PE17/052

Variations

• Talan ✧ LotRI/Talan

tâl

flat space

_ n. _flat space, platform. Q. talan or talma. >> talan

caul

noun. great burden, affliction

talan

platform

(”flet”, high platform used in trees in Lothlorien) talan (i dalan), pl. telain (i thelain)

talan

platform

(i dalan), pl. telain (i thelain)

talan

flet

(high platform used in trees in Lothlorien) talan (i dalan), pl. telain [UT:245] (i thelain)

talan

flet

(i dalan), pl. telain [UT:245] (i thelain)

panas

talam

(i banas, o phanas, pl. penais (i phenais), coll. pl. panassath.

talaf

floor

1) talaf (i dalaf, o thalaf) (ground), pl. telaif (i thelaif); coll. pl. talavath. The ”Noldorin” plural form listed in LR:390 s.v.

talaf

floor

(i dalaf, o thalaf) (ground), pl. telaif (i thelaif); coll. pl. talavath. The ”Noldorin” plural form listed in LR:390 s.v.

caul

burden

(heavy burden) caul (i gaul, o chaul) (affliction), pl. coel (i choel), coll. pl. colath

caul

burden

(i gaul, o chaul) (affliction), pl. coel (i choel), coll. pl. colath

talam

root. flat space, flat space, [ᴹ√] floor, ground; base, root, foundation

Derivatives

• ✶talam “floor; flat space, platform, floor; flat space, platform, [ᴹ✶] ‘flet’; ground”
  • Q. talan “flat space, platform, flat space, platform; [ᴹQ.] floor, ground” ✧ PE17/052
  • Q. talma “flat space, platform” ✧ PE17/052
  • S. talan “platform, flat space, flet [Middle English = ‘floor’]” ✧ PE17/052
  • S. talf “wang, flat field, topographical flat area” ✧ PE17/052
• ✶talmā “basis”
  • Q. talma “basis, basis, [ᴹQ.] foundation, base, root; [ᴱQ.] end” ✧ PE21/80
• Q. talan “flat space, platform, flat space, platform; [ᴹQ.] floor, ground” ✧ PE17/052
• Q. talma “flat space, platform” ✧ PE17/052
• ᴺQ. talma- “to found”
• S. talan “platform, flat space, flet [Middle English = ‘floor’]” ✧ PE17/052
• S. talf “wang, flat field, topographical flat area” ✧ PE17/052

Elements

Word	Gloss
TAL	“foot; *flat; [ᴱ√] support”

Variations

• talam ✧ PE17/052

talan

noun. flet

Derivations

• ᴹ√TALAM “base, root, foundation; floor, ground”

panas

noun. floor

panas

noun. floor

A noun for “floor” in The Etymologies of the 1930s, an elaboration of N. pân “plank” under the root ᴹ√PAN (Ety/PAN). As such, it likely refers to a constructed floor made of wood or other materials.

Conceptual Development: The Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s had G. blath “a floor” (GL/23), probably derived from the early root ᴱ√PALA having to do with flat things as suggested by Christopher Tolkien (LT1A/Palúrien).