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Middle Primitive Elvish


root. child, child; *daughter

A root in The Etymologies of the 1930s, initially glossed “daughter” but later “child” with derivatives ᴹQ. selde, ᴹQ. seldo, ᴹQ. selda = female, male and neuter “child” (Ety/SEL-D). In Notes on Names (NN) from 1957 Tolkien gave sel-de “daughter” (PE17/170), while S. sel(l) = “daughter” appeared in both the King’s Letter from the late 1940s (SD/129) as well as the Túrin Wrapper from the 1950s (VT50/5). The diminutive form for “daughter” appeared as Q. selyë in notes from the late 1960s (VT47/10).

Neo-Eldarin: For purposes of Neo-Eldarin, I prefer √YEL for “daughter” as a variant of ᴹ√SEL(D) under the influence of √YON “son”, mostly so I can still use the 1930s “child” words for other genders, at least in the Quenya branch. I would still use Q. seldë and S. sell for “daughter”, however, with a bit of semantic drift, with “girl” words becoming Q. nettë and S. neth.


  • sel(dĕ) “*daughter”
    • Q. seldë “daughter, daughter; [ᴹQ.] child [f.], *girl”
    • S. sell “*daughter, daughter; [N.] †girl, maid”
  • ᴹQ. selda “child [n.]” ✧ Ety/SEL-D
  • ᴹQ. selde “child [f.]” ✧ Ety/SEL-D; Ety/SEL-D
  • ᴹQ. seldo “child, child [m.], *boy” ✧ Ety/SEL-D
  • N. sell “girl, maid” ✧ Ety/SEL-D
    • N. iell “daughter” ✧ Ety/SEL-D

Element in

  • ᴹ✶Tindōmiselde “Nightingale, (lit.) Daughter of Twilight” ✧ Ety/SEL-D; Ety/TIN
  • N. -iel “daughter; feminine suffix” ✧ EtyAC/YEL


  • SEL-D ✧ Ety/SEL-D (SEL-D); Ety/SEL-D; EtyAC/TIN
  • SEL ✧ Ety/TIN
  • SELD ✧ EtyAC/YEL
Middle Primitive Elvish [Ety/SEL-D; Ety/TIN; EtyAC/TIN; EtyAC/YEL] Group: Eldamo. Published by