Gilruin
#2122
I like this word! Opening a thread though to get opinions from other experts.
Contribution “Orvincë” by Ollorin Máma (aka Clint)
These are the comments on (Deleted 2022-07-30 14:30:50)'s contribution “orvincë”.
Quenya hilt macil mahta mahtë orvincë pommel pummel swordorvincë
noun. little apple, pommel
Pommel origin
From Etymonline © 2022 (confirmed by Webster-Mirriam © 2022) mid-13c., pomel, "ornamental knob or ball, decorative boss;" c. 1300, "knob at the end of the handle of a sword hilt or the grip of a dagger," from Old French pomel (12c., Modern French pommeau), "rounded knob," diminutive of pom "hilt of a sword," and directly from Medieval Latin pomellum, diminutive of Latin pomum "apple" (see pomona), the connecting notion being "roundness." It serves to keep the hand from slipping and for striking a heavy blow at an adversary too close for the sweep of the weapon.
Though process
The word pommel is Franco-Latin in origin and refers to the knob at the end of a European style sword as a little apple. It seems appropriate that Quenya, which is flowing like French and is often referred to as "Elf Latin" should also refer to the balancing knob at the end of a sword as a "little apple." English also uses pommel as the primary word for a knob at the end of a sword handle.
Compound word reasoning
Orvincë was chosen instead of orvaincë for aesthetic beauty as well as simplicity of speech. To my knowledge, no Quenya word begins with orvi, thus generating no conflict with the compound word form.
Thank you!
Your contribution was approved by Gilruin.
Aldaleon
#2124
Thank you for such a thoughtful contribution! I quite like this word as well! I love the detailed description of your approach and your consideration for aesthetics and possible cognates.
Please consider linking relevant words and references. The easiest way is to achieve this is to wrap the words in brackets, like [[orva]] or [[q:orva]] if you want to restrict the suggestions to Quenya. This will be helpful to users who would like to look up the words they don't know or would like to know more about.
Gilruin
#2140
Another thing to consider, head tip to Luinyelle: The semantic space is partially occupied by TOL/NDOL- > tolma “protuberance contrived to serve a purpose, knob, short rounded handle”, tolmen “ boss (of shield)”, dolt “round knob, boss”. I think the word can still stand as is, but I wanted to mention that one could potentially write around it with attested words.
Aldaleon
#2159
Hi Ollorin,
It appears unfortunately that some of the changes you made weren't correctly saved. As I investigated the root cause, I noticed an edge case (i.e. a bug) that unfortunately led to this outcome. The bug has been fixed and I really apologise for the inconvenience. I'll help out by polishing some of the linking on your behalf.
As for the other changes that we discussed, might I ask you to make the changes one more time?
Thank you for your patience,
aldaleon
Ruilalwen
#2163
Orvincë is in the dictionary! I just want to know how to pronounce it, if it's alright. Getting a pronounciation wrong is very very very bad, and, as personal experience tells, very embarrasing. Annon allen!
Compound consisting of orva "apple" [PE13/116] and -ince diminutive ending [UT/195].