Quenya 

yulma

noun. cup, drinking vessel, drinking implement, goblet

A word for “cup” in the Namárië “poem” (LotR/377). Elsewhere Tolkien specified it was a more general term for a “drinking vessel” or “drinking implement”, a derivative of ✶yulmā = √YUL + ✶-mā and hence more literally “a thing used in drinking” (PE17/63, 68, 135; WJ/416).

Quenya [LotR/0377; Minor-Doc/2013-05-13; PE17/063; PE17/068; PE17/135; PE17/180; PE21/76; PE22/161; PE23/135; RGEO/58; RGEO/59; VT21/06; VT49/17; WJ/416] Group: Eldamo. Published by

yulma

cup

yulma (1) noun "cup" (Nam, RGEO:67), "drinking-vessel" (WJ:416, PE17:180). The plural form yulmar is attested (VT48:11). Yulmaya ("k") colloquial Quenya for "his cup" (the formally correct form being *yulmarya) (VT49:17)

yulma

brand

yulma (2) noun "brand" (YUL). May have been obsoleted by # 1 above.

sí man i yulma nin enquantuva?

now who the cup for me will refill?

The 8th phrase in the prose Namárië, which is essentially the same as its poetic version, differing only in its more literal translation.

This phrase is interesting in that it places the direct and indirect objects of the phrase (i yulma nin “the cup for me”) in between the subject (man “who”) and the verb (enquantuva “will refill”). This indicates that even in ordinary speech, the normal Quenya subject-verb-object word order was somewhat free, with objects able to appear in other positions.

ma varda enquantuva i yulma nin sí

will Varda now refill the cup for me?

sí man i yulma nin enquantuva?

who now shall refill the cup for me?

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Quenya [LotR/0377; PE23/135; RGEO/58] Group: Eldamo. Published by

cilinyul

drinking-vessel

cilinyul noun "drinking-vessel" (made of glass) (PE17:37)

sungwa

drinking-vessel

sungwa noun "drinking-vessel" (SUK)

Primitive elvish

yulmā

noun. drinking-vessel

Primitive elvish [WJ/416] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Noldorin 

iolf

noun. brand

A noun for “brand” in The Etymologies of the 1930s derived from the root ᴹ√YUL “smoulder” (Ety/YUL). The form iolv was written next to it, probably indicating pronunciation (EtyAC/YUL). It was marked ON. but should probably be N. as suggested by Hostetter and Wynne (EtyAC/YUL).

Neo-Quenya: This word would become ✱ylf if adapted directly to Neo-Sindarin, but that conflicts with S. ylf “drinking-vessel” (WJ/416). For purposes of Neo-Eldarin, I would adapt the root ᴹ√YUL “smoulder” as the Neo-Root ᴺ√YOL, which would allow the retention of this Noldorin word unchanged since it could be derived from ✱yolmā instead.

iolf

noun. brand

The word is classed as Old Noldorin (ON) in the Etymologies, but rather seems to be Noldorin

Noldorin [Ety/400, X/IU] Group: SINDICT. Published by

Sindarin 

ylf

noun. brand

The word is classed as Old Noldorin (ON) in the Etymologies, but rather seems to be Noldorin

Sindarin [Ety/400, X/IU] Group: SINDICT. Published by

ylf

brand

*ylf (no distinct pl. form; coll. pl. ylvath). (Suggested Sindarin form of ”Noldorin” iolf.) A homophone means ”drinking vessel”.

ylf

brand

(no distinct pl. form; coll. pl. ylvath). (Suggested Sindarin form of ”Noldorin” iolf.) A homophone means ”drinking vessel”.


Beware, older languages below! The languages below were invented during Tolkien's earlier period and should be used with caution. Remember to never, ever mix words from different languages!

Qenya 

yulma

noun. brand

A noun for “brand” in The Etymologies of the 1930s derived from the root ᴹ√YUL “smoulder” (Ety/YUL; EtyAC/YUL). It conflicts with the later word Q. yulma “cup”.

sungwa

noun. drinking-vessel

A noun for “drinking-vessel” in The Etymologies of the 1930s derived from ᴹ✶sukmā under the root ᴹ√SUK “drink” (Ety/SUK).

Neo-Quenya: For purposes of Neo-Quenya, I’d stick to later Q. yulma “cup, drinking vessel” to avoid dealing with changes to the phonetic rules whereby *km* > *gm* > *ngw* that Tolkien made in the 1950s.

Doriathrin

saum

noun. drinking-vessel

A noun meaning “drinking-vessel” derived from primitive ᴹ✶sukmā (Ety/SUK). This word went through a number of phonetic changes:

  • [[ilk|the [k] became [g] before the nasal [m]]]

  • [[ilk|the [u] shifted to [o] before the final [a]]]

  • [[ilk|the [g] vocalized to [u] before the nasal [m] producing the diphthong [ou]]]

  • [[ilk|the resulting diphthong [ou] became [au]]]

Helge Fauskanger originally suggested these developments (AL-Ilkorin/saum).

Doriathrin [Ety/SUK] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Middle Primitive Elvish

sukmā

noun. drinking-vessel

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