Primitive elvish

tolot

root. eight

tolod

root. eight

The earliest Elvish words for “eight” were ᴱQ. {ungo >>} umna and G. {ung >>} uvin in the Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s (GL/75), but in the Early Qenya Grammar of the 1920s it became ᴱQ. {telte >>} tolto (PE14/49). In The Etymologies of the 1930s Tolkien gave the root ᴹ√TOL-OTH/OT “eight” as the basis for ᴹQ. tolto and N. toloth of the same meaning (Ety/TOL¹-OTH/OT); in this document it was distinct from ᴹ√TOL which was the basis for “island” words.

In documents on Elvish numbers from the late 1960s, Tolkien vacillated between √TOLOTH (VT42/30 note #52), √TOLOT (VT42/24; VT47/31) and √TOLOD (VT47/11) for the form of this root, but in the more polished versions of these documents he seems to have settled on √TOLOD > Q. toldo, S. toloð (VT48/6). In this last iteration, Tolkien connected the root √TOLOD to the root √TOL “stick up” due to the prominence of the middle fingers (3 and 8) in counting (VT47/11); see the entry on √TOL for discussion.

Primitive elvish [VT42/24; VT42/30; VT47/11; VT47/16; VT47/31; VT47/32; VT47/33] Group: Eldamo. Published by

toltoya

ordinal. 8th

Primitive elvish [VT42/26] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Telerin 

tolot

cardinal. eight

Telerin [VT48/06; VT48/21] Group: Eldamo. Published by

tolodya

ordinal. eighth

Telerin [VT42/25; VT42/31] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Quenya 

toldo

cardinal. eight

The Quenya number “eight” derived from the root √TOLOD, probably from primitive ✱✶tolodō, with the middle vowel lost due to the Quenya syncope.

Conceptual Development: The earliest attested Qenya word for “eight” was ᴱQ. umna in the Gnomish Lexicon from the 1910s (GL/75), but when Tolkien composed the number lists in the Early Qenya Grammar from the 1920s, it was revised to ᴱQ. tolto (PE14/49, 82). In The Etymologies from the 1930s it remained ᴹQ. tolto from the root ᴹ√TOLOT (Ety/TOL¹-OTH/OT).

When Tolkien revisited the Elvish number system in the 1960s, he first used tolto (VT47/32), but he later changed the t to a d in both the Quenya form and the root (VT48/6).

Neo-Quenya: I personally prefer toldo as the Quenya word for “eight”, but some Neo-Quenya writers use the older (and perhaps better known) tolto. It seems Tolkien had considerable trouble deciding on the primitive root for “eight”, so any of these forms could be valid (VT47/31).

Quenya [PE17/095; VT47/32; VT48/06] Group: Eldamo. Published by

tolto

cardinal. eight

tolto cardinal "eight" (TOL1-OTH/OT), variant toldo (VT48:6). Ordinal toltëa "eighth" (VT42:31), with variant toldëa (VT42:25) to go with toldo.

tolto

cardinal. eight

toltëa

eighth

toltëa ordinal "eighth" (VT42:31), also toldëa (VT42:25). See tolto.

toltëa

ordinal. eighth

toldëa

eighth

toldëa oridinal "eighth" (VT42:25), also toltëa (VT42:31). See tolto.

toldëa

ordinal. eighth

Quenya [VT42/25; VT42/31] Group: Eldamo. Published by

sarnincë

noun. pebble

A neologism for “pebble” coined by Paul Strack in 2018 specifically for Eldamo (updated from sardincë to sarnincë in 2021), a diminutive form of Q. sar (sarn-) “stone”. There are a number of Early Qenya words for “pebble” from the 1910s and 20s, but all have various issues for adapting them to Neo-Quenya.

Quenya Group: Eldamo - neologism/reconstructions. Published by

Noldorin 

toloth

cardinal. eight

Tolkien emended toloth to tolodh, cf. VT/42:31 (and also VT/48:6). If we are to follow him, a word such as tolothen would be incorrect, unless the two forms coexisted

Noldorin [Ety/394, VT/42:25, VT/42:31, VT/48:6] Group: SINDICT. Published by

toloth

cardinal. eight

Noldorin [Ety/TOL¹-OTH/OT] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Sindarin 

tolod

cardinal. eight

tolothen

ordinal. eighth

Sindarin [erin dolothen SD/129-31] Group: SINDICT. Published by

tolothen

ordinal. eighth

Sindarin [AotM/062; SD/129] Group: Eldamo. Published by

tolodh

cardinal. eight

The Sindarin number “eight” derived from the root √TOLOD, probably from primitive ✱✶tolodō, where the [[s|[d] became [ð] after a vowel]] as usual.

Conceptual Development: The earliest attested word for “eight” was G. uvin in the Gnomish Lexicon from the 1910s (GL/75), replacing rejected ung. In The Etymologies from the 1930s it became N. toloth from the root ᴹ√TOLOTH, similar to but not quite the same as ᴹQ. tolto from the root ᴹ√TOLOT (Ety/TOL¹-OTH/OT).

In some notes from the 1950s, Tolkien used S. tolod (PE17/95), apparently deciding both Quenya and Sindarin were derived from the same root √TOLOT. Later still, toloth reappeared, but it was rejected and replaced by tolodh (toloð: VT42/25, 31). When Tolkien revisited the Elvish number system in the 1960s, he changed the t to a d in the root form for “eight” (VT47/11) and established tolodh as its Sindarin form (VT48/6).

Neo-Sindarin: I personally prefer tolodh as the Sindarin word for “eight”, but some Neo-Sindarin writers use the older (and perhaps better known) toloth. It seems Tolkien had considerable trouble deciding on the primitive root for “eight”, so any of these forms could be valid (VT47/31).

Sindarin [PE17/095; SD/129; VT42/25; VT42/31; VT48/06] Group: Eldamo. Published by

tolodh

cardinal. eight

Tolkien emended toloth to tolodh, cf. VT/42:31 (and also VT/48:6). If we are to follow him, a word such as tolothen would be incorrect, unless the two forms coexisted

Sindarin [Ety/394, VT/42:25, VT/42:31, VT/48:6] Group: SINDICT. Published by

toloth

cardinal. eight

toloth, tolodh;

toloth

eight

tolodh;

tolhui

ordinal. eighth

Sindarin [VT/42:25, VT/42:27, VT/47:32, VT/42:10, Tengwest] Group: SINDICT. Published by

tolhui

ordinal. eighth

tollui

ordinal. eighth

Sindarin [VT/42:25, VT/42:27, VT/47:32, VT/42:10, Tengwest] Group: SINDICT. Published by

tollui

ordinal. eighth

Sindarin [VT42/10; VT42/25; VT42/27; VT42/31] Group: Eldamo. Published by

tolthui

ordinal. eighth

Sindarin [VT/42:25, VT/42:27, VT/47:32, VT/42:10, Tengwest] Group: SINDICT. Published by

tolthui

ordinal. eighth

sarneg

noun. pebble

A neologism for “pebble” coined by Paul Strack in 2021 specifically for Eldamo, a diminutive form of S. sarn “stone”.

Sindarin Group: Eldamo - neologism/reconstructions. Published by

tollui

eighth

tollui (lenited dollui). (VT42:15; Tolkien may have abandoned the form [t]olothen occurring in lenited form dolothen in an earlier source, SD:129)

tollui

eighth

(lenited dollui). (VT42:15; Tolkien may have abandoned the form [t]olothen occurring in lenited form dolothen in an earlier source, SD:129)


Beware, older languages below! The languages below were invented during Tolkien's earlier period and should be used with caution. Remember to never, ever mix words from different languages!

Early Quenya

tolot

noun. pebble, cobble-stone

A word for “pebble, cobble-stone” in the English-Qenya Dictionary of the 1920s (PE15/77). Its etymology is unclear; elsewhere in Quenya ᴹ√TOLOT was connected to the number “eight”, and √TOL with things that stand or stick up.

Early Quenya [PE15/77] Group: Eldamo. Published by

tolto

cardinal. eight

Early Quenya [PE14/049; PE14/082] Group: Eldamo. Published by

umna

cardinal. eight

Early Quenya [GL/75] Group: Eldamo. Published by

hyelle

noun. pebble

A word for “pebble” in Early Qenya Word-lists of the 1920s (PE16/138; PE16/144). Its etymology is unclear, and in later writings ᴹQ. hyelle was used as a word for “glass”.

Early Quenya [PE16/138; PE16/144] Group: Eldamo. Published by

tolya

ordinal. eighth

Early Quenya [PE14/051; PE14/082] Group: Eldamo. Published by

lalle

noun. pebble

A word for “pebble” the Qenya Lexicon of the 1910s appearing under the root ᴱ√LALA, though Tolkien marked it with a “?” and other derivatives of the root had to do with “babble” (QL/50). This word was also mentioned in the contemporaneous Poetic and Mythological Words of Eldarissa (PME/50).

Early Quenya [PME/050; QL/050] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Qenya 

tolto

cardinal. eight

Qenya [Ety/TOL¹-OTH/OT] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Middle Primitive Elvish

tol-oth/ot

root. eight

Middle Primitive Elvish [Ety/TOL¹-OTH/OT] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Gnomish

clocthi

noun. pebble

A noun for “a pebble” in the Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s, apparently a diminutive of G. cloch “a stone” (GL/26).

ungra

adjective. eighth

uvin

noun. eight