pirya

juice, syrup

pirya noun "juice, syrup" (PIS)

sáva

juice

sáva noun "juice" (SAB)

nîdh

noun. juice

juice

nîdh

noun. juice, [N.] honeycomb; [S.] juice

A noun for “juice” appearing in 1970 green-ink revisions to the Outline of Phonology (OP2), derived from ✶negdē “exudation” based on the root √NEG “ooze, drip”; its Quenya cognate was Q. nehtë “honey” (PE19/91). Sindarin nîdh was a later iteration of N. {nēdh >>} nīdh “honeycomb” in The Etymologies of the 1930s which had essentially the same derivation (EtyAC/NEG). This in turn was a later form of G. nectha “honey comb” in the Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s (GL/60), cognate to ᴱQ. nekte “honey” and hence derived from the early root ᴱ√NEHE having to do with bees and honey (QL/65).

Neo-Sindarin: For purposes of Neo-Sindarin, I’d use nîdh with its earlier meaning “honeycomb”. For “juice” I’d use other words like [N.] saw and [ᴺS.] paich (adapted from N. peich).

Cognates

• Q. nehtë “honey, honey; [ᴹQ.] honeycomb” ✧ PE19/091

Derivations

• ✶negdē “exudation” ✧ PE19/091
  • √NEG “‽ooze, drip, ooze, drip; *honey” ✧ PE19/091

Phonetic Developments

Development	Stages	Sources
✶negdē > nîdh	[negdē] > [neidē] > [neide] > [nīde] > [nīðe] > [nīð]	✧ PE19/091

Variations

• nîdh ✧ PE19/091

paich

noun. juice, syrup

paich

juice

(i baich, o phaich) (syrup), pl. pîch (i phîch). The source (LR:382 s.v. PIS) cites the archaic form peich.

paich

noun. juice, syrup, juice, syrup, *sap

saw

juice

1) saw (i haw, o saw), pl. soe (i soe). In ”Noldorin”, the pl. was sui (LR:385 s.v. SAB). 2) *paich (i baich, o phaich) (syrup), pl. pîch (i phîch). The source (LR:382 s.v. PIS) cites the archaic form peich.

saw

juice

(i haw, o saw), pl. soe (i soe). In ”Noldorin”, the pl. was sui (LR:385 s.v. SAB).

peich

noun. juice, syrup

A noun appearing as N. peich “juice, syrup” in The Etymologies of the late 1930s under the root ᴹ√PIS, probably from primitive ✱pisya given its Quenya cognate ᴹQ. pirya (Ety/PIS). Here sy became χı̯ [pixı̯a], the i became e via a-effection [pexı̯(a)], and then the i intruded into the preceding syllable to produce the diphthong ei after the final a was lost to produce peich [peix].

Conceptual Development: Several earlier words seem to be precursors of this one. The Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s had G. bith “juice, sap” with a deleted primitive form {viđa} (GL/23), cognate to ᴱQ. vite “sap, juice” under the early root ᴱ√VITI (QL/101). Early Noldorin Word-lists of the 1920s had ᴱN. hî “sap, juice” derived from ᴱ✶pisye (PE13/147) with initial p becoming h as was usual in Early Noldorin of the 1920s.

Neo-Sindarin: For purposes of Neo-Sindarin, I would adapt this word as ᴺS. paich as suggested in HSD (HSD), since ei became ai unless it was in a non-final syllable in Sindarin.

Cognates

• ᴹQ. pirya “juice, syrup, juice, syrup, *sap” ✧ Ety/PIS

Derivations

• ᴹ√PIS “*juice” ✧ Ety/PIS

Element in

• N. pichen “juicy, juicy, *oozing” ✧ Ety/PIS

Phonetic Developments

Development	Stages	Sources
ᴹ√PIS > peich	[pisja] > [pixja] > [pexja] > [pexia] > [pexi] > [peix]	✧ Ety/PIS

peich

noun. juice, syrup

saw

noun. juice

saw

noun. juice

A noun in The Etymologies of the late 1930s glossed “juice” from the root ᴹ√SAB of the same meaning (Ety/SAB).

Conceptual Development: G. gwâs “juice” from the Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s is a possible precursor (GL/44).

Cognates

• ᴹQ. sáva “juice” ✧ Ety/SAB

Derivations

• On. sōba “juice” ✧ Ety/SAB
  • ᴹ√SAB “juice” ✧ Ety/SAB

Phonetic Developments

Development	Stages	Sources
On. sōba > saw	[sǭba] > [souba] > [souva] > [sauva] > [sauv] > [sau]	✧ Ety/SAB
On. sōba > sui	[sǭbi] > [soubi] > [souvi] > [sauvi] > [suiv] > [sui]	✧ Ety/SAB