Quenya 

nal

dale, dell

nal, nallë noun "dale, dell" (LT1:261)

tumba

deep valley

tumba noun "deep valley" (Letters:308; SA:tum and TUB gives tumbo "valley, deep valley"); apparently an extended form *tumbalë in tumbalemorna "deepvalleyblack" or (according to SA:tum) "black deep valley", also tumbaletaurëa "deepvalleyforested"; see Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna...

tumba

adjective. deep valley, [ᴹQ.] deep, lowlying; [Q.] deep valley

The adjective ᴹQ. tumba “deep, lowlying” appeared in rough (and ultimately rejected) notes on irregular verbs from the Quenya Verbal System of the late 1940s as a derivative of ᴹ√TUB “fall low, go down” (PE22/127). In a 1961 letter to Rhona Beare tumba was glossed “deep valley” as an element in the Entish phrase Q. Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor “Forestmanyshadowed-deepvalleyblack Deepvalleyforested Gloomyland” (Let/308; LotR/467), but I think this is only an approximate translation, and the word is better understood as adjectival in sense: “✱like a deep valley”. As further evidence of this, in notes from the late 1960s the form tumba was changed to a more typical noun form Q. tumbo in the name Q. i Tumbo Tarmacorto “the Vale of the High Mountain Circle” (NM/351).

Neo-Quenya: For purposes of Neo-Quenya, I’d treat this word as an adjective only, and use Q. tumbo for the noun.

Changes

  • TumbaTumbo ✧ NM/351

Element in

Variations

  • Tumba ✧ NM/355 (Tumba)
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imbë

dell, deep vale

imbë (2) noun "dell, deep vale" (VT45:18), "wide ravine (between high mountain sides)" (PE17:92)

imbë

noun. deep valley, wide ravine, (lit.) tween-land, deep valley, (wide) ravine, [ᴹQ.] glen, dell, (lit.) tween-land

A Quenya noun that is more or less the equivalent of S. imlad for a deep (and relatively narrow) valley or a wider-than-normal ravine.

Conceptual Development: ᴹQ. imbe “dell, deep vale” appeared in the Qenya Lexicon as a derivative of ᴹ√IMBE, which was also the basis for N. imm and N. imlad of the same meaning (EtyAC/IMBE). The form imbe “dell” appeared as a (deleted) name for a tengwar in notes on the Feanorian Alphabet from the early to mid 1940s (PE22/52). The word imbe “ravine, glen” appeared in rough (and ultimately rejected) notes on irregular verbs from the Quenya Verbal System of the late 1940s, where Tolkien contrasted it with ᴹQ. tumbo used of wide valleys, indicating imbe meant the valley was narrow (PE22/127). In this note Tolkien again connected imbe to N. im(b)lad as in N. Imladris, and gave the fuller Quenya form ᴹQ. latimbe its actual equivalent.

However in notes from the late 1960s on Galadriel and Celeborn, Tolkien gave Q. imbilat as the equivalent of S. imlad, and mentions primitive ✶imbē as an ancient word for a “cleft of great length in mountains between very high stone walls”, a variant of ✶imbi “between” (NM/355). This contradicts an earlier etymology given by Tolkien for imbe around 1965, where Tolkien said:

> imbĕ < imbĭ [between] is a strengthened form of √IMI “in, within” giving the preposition > mi “in” ... The noun imbe (< imbē) is also probably a derivative, or felt to be: meaning a deep valley or wide ravine between high mountain sides (as Rivendell): sc. = “tween-land”. It is possibly from a similar but different stem √IBI, and to be compared with S îf (< ✱īb-), a cliff, a sheer descent (PE17/92).

Neo-Quenya: For purposes of Neo-Quenya, I would use imbe as the normal word for “deep valley”, and assume the more elaborate forms latimbe and imbilat exist only as hypothetical counterparts to S. imlad and were not used as actual words. I would also assume imbe is either a narrow valley or a wide ravine, as opposed to Q. tumbo which was a deep valley and Q. nan(do) for a wide valley. I would further assume it was derived from √MI/IMI as in the late 1960s notes on Galadriel and Celeborn, and assume the 1965 derivation from √IBI was a transient idea.

Derivations

  • MI/IMI “in, within, [ᴹ√] inside”
  • imbē “deep valley, wide ravine” ✧ PE17/092
    • IBI “*cliff, sheer descent” ✧ PE17/092

Phonetic Developments

DevelopmentStagesSources
imbē > imbe[imbē] > [imbe]✧ PE17/092

Variations

  • imbe ✧ PE17/092

Sindarin 

im

noun. dell, deep vale

This word only survived in compounds (due to the clash with im.1 )

Sindarin [imlad, imloth, imrath, imrad, VT/45:18, VT/47:14] Group: SINDICT. Published by

im

dell

im (deep vale), no distinct pl. form (though the pl. article in will mark the word as pl. when definite). The word typically occurs, not by itself, but in compounds like imlad, imloth, imrath, imrad (VT45:18, VT47:19)

im

dell

(deep vale), no distinct pl. form (though the pl. article in will mark the word as pl. when definite). The word typically occurs, not by itself, but in compounds like imlad, imloth, imrath, imrad (VT45:18, VT47:19)

tûm

deep valley

(under or among hills) tûm, tum- (i dûm, o thûm, construct tum), pl. tuim (i thuim)

tûm

deep valley

(under or among hills) tûm, tum- (i dûm, o thûm, construct tum), pl. tuim (i thuim). or

Noldorin 

im

noun. dell, deep vale

This word only survived in compounds (due to the clash with im.1 )

Noldorin [imlad, imloth, imrath, imrad, VT/45:18, VT/47:14] Group: SINDICT. Published by

imb

noun. dell, deep vale

This word only survived in compounds (due to the clash with im.1 )

Noldorin [imlad, imloth, imrath, imrad, VT/45:18, VT/47:14] Group: SINDICT. Published by

imm

noun. dell, deep vale

This word only survived in compounds (due to the clash with im.1 )

Noldorin [imlad, imloth, imrath, imrad, VT/45:18, VT/47:14] Group: SINDICT. Published by

imm

noun. dell, deep vale

Cognates

  • ᴹQ. imbe “dell, deep vale, ravine, glen” ✧ EtyAC/IMBE

Derivations

  • ᴹ√IMBE “dell, deep vale” ✧ EtyAC/IMBE

Element in

  • N. imlad “dell, deep vale, glen” ✧ EtyAC/IMBE

Phonetic Developments

DevelopmentStagesSources
ᴹ√IMBE > im(b) > imm[imbe] > [imb] > [imb] > [imm] > [im]✧ EtyAC/IMBE
Noldorin [EtyAC/IMBE] Group: Eldamo. Published by

imlad

noun. dell, deep vale, glen

Changes

  • im(b)ladim(b)lad “ravine” ✧ PE22/127

Cognates

  • ᴹQ. latimbe “glen” ✧ PE22/127

Element in

Variations

  • im(b)lad ✧ PE22/127 (im(b)lad); PE22/127 (im(b)lad)
  • Imlad ✧ WR/287
Noldorin [EtyAC/IMBE; PE22/127; WR/287] Group: Eldamo. Published by

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Undetermined

dale

Dale

The word dale means "valley", as it was built in the Celduin valley between two arms of Erebor.

Undetermined [Tolkien Gateway] Published by

Qenya 

imbe

noun. dell, deep vale, ravine, glen

Cognates

  • N. imm “dell, deep vale” ✧ EtyAC/IMBE

Derivations

  • ᴹ√IMBE “dell, deep vale” ✧ EtyAC/IMBE

Element in

Phonetic Developments

DevelopmentStagesSources
ᴹ√IMBE > imbe[imbe]✧ EtyAC/IMBE

Variations

  • imbe ✧ EtyAC/IMBE; PE22/052 (imbe); PE22/127 (imbe)
Qenya [EtyAC/IMBE; PE22/052; PE22/127] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Middle Primitive Elvish

imbe

root. dell, deep vale

Derivations

Derivatives

  • ᴹQ. imbe “dell, deep vale, ravine, glen” ✧ EtyAC/IMBE
  • N. imm “dell, deep vale” ✧ EtyAC/IMBE
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Gnomish

gobli

noun. dell

A noun in the Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s glossed “dell” (GL/40), an elaboration on G. gob “hollow of hand” so perhaps originally meaning “✱hollowness”.

Gnomish [GL/40; LT1A/Kópas] Group: Eldamo. Published by

tumli

noun. dale

A noun in the Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s glossed “a dale” (GL/72), probably a derivative of the early root ᴱ√TUM(B)U as suggested by Christopher Tolkien (LT1A/Tombo; QL/95).

Derivations

  • ᴱ√TUM(B)U “‽” ✧ LT1A/Tombo
Gnomish [GL/72; LT1A/Tombo] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Early Noldorin

nand

noun. dale

nann

noun. dale

Element in

Variations

  • nand ✧ PE13/150
Early Noldorin [PE13/150] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Early Primitive Elvish

nḷdle

noun. dell

Derivations

Derivatives

  • Eq. nal “dale, dell” ✧ QL/066
Early Primitive Elvish [QL/066] Group: Eldamo. Published by

nḷđḷ

root. *dell

Derivatives

  • ᴱ✶nḷdle “dell” ✧ QL/066
    • Eq. nal “dale, dell” ✧ QL/066
  • Eq. nal “dale, dell” ✧ LT1A/Murmenalda; QL/066
  • Eq. nalda “lowly, valley (aj.), dale (aj.)” ✧ LT1A/Murmenalda; QL/066
  • G. glith “dale, hillslope” ✧ GL/40
  • G. nal “dale, vale” ✧ LT1A/Murmenalda
  • G. nal “down, downwards” ✧ LT1A/Murmenalda

Variations

  • nḷđ ✧ GL/40
  • NḶDḶ ✧ LT1A/Murmenalda; QL/066
  • nḷřḷ ✧ QL/066
Early Primitive Elvish [GL/40; LT1A/Murmenalda; QL/066] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Early Quenya

nalle

noun. dell

nal

noun. dale, dell

In the Qenya Lexicon of the 1910s there were a pair of similar nouns derived from the root ᴱ√NḶĐḶ: ᴱQ. nal (nald-) “dale, dell” and ᴱQ. nalle “dell” (QL/66). The latter was derived from ᴱ✶nḷdle and the former probably from ✱nḷd-. The word nalle also appeared unglossed in Early Qenya Word-lists from the 1920s (PE16/144).

Cognates

  • G. nal “dale, vale” ✧ LT1A/Murmenalda

Derivations

  • ᴱ√NḶĐḶ “*dell” ✧ LT1A/Murmenalda; QL/066
  • ᴱ✶nḷdle “dell” ✧ QL/066

Phonetic Developments

DevelopmentStagesSources
ᴱ√nḷřḷ > nal[nḹð] > [nalð] > [nald] > [nal]✧ QL/066
ᴱ✶nḷdle > nalle[nḹðlē] > [nḹðle] > [nalðle] > [naldle] > [naldle]✧ QL/066

Variations

  • nal(lë) ✧ LT1A/Murmenalda
  • nalle ✧ PE16/144; QL/066
Early Quenya [LT1A/Murmenalda; PE16/144; QL/066] Group: Eldamo. Published by

umbe

noun. dale, dell

A noun in the Qenya Lexicon of the 1910s glossed “dale, dell” derived from the root ᴱ√Ū “under” (QL/96). It may have reemerged later as ᴹQ. imbe “dell, deep vale” (EtyAC/IMBE).

Cognates

Derivations

  • ᴱ√Ū “under” ✧ QL/096

Phonetic Developments

DevelopmentStagesSources
ᴱ√Ū¹ > umbe[umbē] > [umbe]✧ QL/096
Early Quenya [PE14/107; QL/096] Group: Eldamo. Published by