Parth+bain, & what is Vineyard?

Zehn Waters #3374

I'm completely confounded on how these two would even combine, let alone in what order or how they'd mutate.

Parth = field, enclosed grassland, sward, *meadow

Bain = beautiful; good, wholesome, favorable; fair, fair-haired

In the interest of not making a million posts, is there even a term for "wine" or "vine" or "vineyard"? I'm trying to come up with a name for an elf from Dorwinion.

Ellanto #3375

For bain + parth, I can suggest Bapharth, less likely Beniabarth, or as a late compound Beipharth. Can't say I particularly like any of them.

Not sure about vineyard, I'll have to think about it.

Zehn Waters #3376

Ew. Me neither. Hm. Bain+laew (Fair & Fresh), or Bain+cîw (Fair & new)?

And Calen+parth?

Rínor #3378

I don't know about Bain+laew Because the nl turns to ll. Ballaew but there are also counter examples to so it could be Banlaew.

I think it might be Beingiw?

Is is possible to have do soft mutation calenbarth > then 57 [n] assimilated to following labial at morpheme boundaries n+m → m+m, n+b → m+b calembarth?

But I am still learning. Ellanto will probably see something else I missed. :)

Ellanto #3383

Bain + laew would be Beinlaew (or Beillaew) if it's a late compound, but I would not recommend it due to the superheavy syllable. Instead I'd go for an ancient compound Ballaew, or better yet, reversing the elements, Laevain.

Bain + cîw > Beichiw or Beingiw as a late compound (the latter perhaps likelier), and I think Bachiw as an old one.

For calen + parth we could indeed have Calembarth as a late compound, c.f. Calembel. With an old compound you'd get Celimbarth instead.

Actually for that matter, perhaps a late compound of bain + parth could be Beimbarth, and that may (or may not) be likelier than what I suggested earlier.

Rossennil Echuidor #3384

"With an old compound you'd get Celimbarth instead."

Why would i-affection occur there?

Zehn Waters #3386

Laevain does sound better. It kinda gives me feminine vibes though (reminds me of Finvain), and this is a male character.

Perhaps calen+laeg? or laeg+calen?

Or perhaps ui+calen? Or laeg+ui? Him+calen? Him+laeg? Ever-green or Ever-fresh both have a nice sound to them.

Ellanto #3388

I-affection can occur in Celimbarth because calen comes from ✶kalinā. Normally this develops thus:

  • ✶kalinā > kalina > kalena > kalen

In the development above we can see an example of a-lowering, i.e. a final [a] causing a preceding high vowel to lower (rule S8). In a compound, however, this would not apply (because the [a] is no longer final). Thus the [i] remains, and can cause i-affection of the preceding vowel(s).

  • calen + laeg > Calenlaeg / Calellaeg (late), or Celillaeg (early).

  • laeg + calen... Laegalen, maybe? I'm not sure about this one.

  • ui + calen > Uigalen.

  • laeg + ui -- don't, ui should be prefixal.

  • him + calen > Himgalen.

  • him + laeg > Himlaeg.

Zehn Waters #3389

Ui+laeg would remain Uilaeg?

Ellanto #3396

I think so.