verb conjugation lhossa "To whisper"

Rínor #3219

Just trying to learn things, I think this fits here as it kind of translation related. Just trying to see if I cam getting the hang of it or way off base. LOL Just starting with Present tense singular and plural for now. And "whisper" can function both transitively and intransitively so I used the Intransitive endings.

Present Tense

lhossad Infinitive "to whisper"

lhossad Gerund "Whispering" (noun)

lhossen 1st per. sg. "I whisper"

lhossol 2nd per. sg formal "You whisper"

lhossog 2nd per. sg informal "You whisper"

lhoss 3rd per. sg. "He/she/it whisper"

lhossen Passive participle (adjective) "Whispered"

Present Tense Plural

lhosso Imperative "Whisper!"

lhessyl Present participle "Whispering" (adjective)

lhossem 1st per. pl. "We whisper"

lhossodh 2nd per. pl. "You (all) whisper"

lhossogir 2nd per. pl. "You (all) whisper"

lhosser 3rd per. pl. "They whisper"

lhyssin Passive participle plural (adjective) "Whispered"

Ellanto #3220

There seems to be some confusion here, I recommend you read this and the grammar articles linked therein. Present tense does not distinguish between transitive and intransitive verbs. Additionally some of the conjugations you provided are incorrect.

I will give you the full conjugation paradigm of lhossa- for reference. It is a derived verb, as opposed to a basic verb of the CVC form, so it conjugates thus:

Present tense

Base form (3rd person singular): lhossa. To this form further pronominal suffixes are attached. With few exceptions suffixation causes the final a to become o.

  • Singular:
    • 1st: lhosson.
    • 2nd: formal lhossol, familiar lhossog.
    • 3rd: lhossa.
  • Plural:
    • 1st: inclusive lhossab, exclusive lhossof.
    • 2nd: formal lhossodh, familiar lhossogir.
    • 3rd: lhossar.

Past tense

Base form (3rd sg.): transitive lhossant, intransitive lhossas(t). Note: this verb can be either transitive or intransitive based on what you’re saying; not all verbs can do that, and belong to only one category or the other. The base form gets suffixes; here the -nt becomes -nne- before a suffix, and the -st becomes -sse-. There are no exceptions, so you can just apply the suffixes you saw above. Thus for example you get 1st sg. intransitive lhossassen, 3rd pl. transitive lhossanner, 2nd pl. familiar transitive lhossannegir etc.

Future tense:

Base form: lhossatha. Here in suffixed forms the final a changes to o as in present tense, e.g. 1st sg. lhossathon, 2nd pl. familiar lhossathogir etc., but 1st pl. inclusive lhossathab, 3rd pl. lhossathar. Note that there is once again no distinction between transitive and intransitive.

Others:

  • Active participles:
    • Present lhossol, pl. (if exists) lhessyl.
    • Past lhussiel, pl. (if exists) lhussil (I would avoid this form, too speculative).
  • Passive past participle:
    • Transitive lhossannen, pl. lhessennin.
    • Intransitive lhossassen, potentially lhossen, pl. lhessessin & lhessin.

Note: the distinction between transitive and intransitive passive past participles is hypothetical.

  • Imperative lhosso.
  • Verbal noun lhossad.
Rínor #3222

Ellanto thank you again! I got some more reading to do. LOL That is where I was getting confused. When I started I was on the right track then thought about discussion about covasser. And started using the intransitive.

Aldaleon #3223

Hi! This is a really good thread on Sindarin conjugation. I think this is a candidate for a sticky post! 😊

aldaleon