Sindarin female name translation for Rose Blossom

david wendelken #4489

Meril is rose.

Lúth is blossom.

So, in normal conversation, we would refer to meril lúth if we wanted to mention a rose blossom?

If turned into a female name, would it be:

Merillúth Merilúth

Either of the above with a suffix of:

eth: ‘Female’ el: ‘Female’ il: ‘Female’ ril: ‘Female Doer’ ien: ‘Female, She of…’

If the maiden in question was very pretty and had (both unusual and very pretty) red hair, it seems that Merilúthien might be the best choice? (Or Merillúthien?

Your advice would be much appreciated!

Rínor #4490

Hey David!

So it would be lûth n. “blossom, inflorescence [on a single plant]”

Merilluth "Rose-Blossom". As far as I know you can't have a long vowel on the end. I have only seen it on the first syllable IE:

  • S. Lúthien f. “Daughter of Flowers”
  • ᴺS. !lúthad n. “enchantments, sorcery”

Merilúthien would be too long. me-ri-LÚ-thi-en, names can only be max of four syllables.

Merilluthil, Merilluthril, Merilluthes would be your options.

I suppose you could have lúthmeril given we have N. Gothmog m. “Voice of Goth”.

Some second options might be needed here.

david wendelken #4491

I was reading on several sites that the acute accent and the circumflex accent mean to hold the vowel sound longer, so u is shorter than ú which is shorter than û.

It didn't mention the umlaut effect, but I remember reading elsewhere that it means to be sure to pronounce the vowel sound separately.

The web pages also mentioned many instances of shortening the vowel sound when making compound words.

So Merilluth would be a short vowel, but Merillúth would be a long vowel.

Wouldn't that make Merilluth acceptable? Plus it just sounds like better Sindarin to my ear. (Not that my opinion on this holds any merit based on a sound understanding of linguistics in general and Sindarin in particular!)

Rínor #4494

You are correct with holding the sound, might reason is that there are no examples of a long u vowel in the last syllables. So I am not sure if that is possible. But Merilluth would be acceptable as far as I know. With no long vowel.

david wendelken #4496

Thanks! That's what I'm going with. It's pretty, it's simple, and it sounds right to me.