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indil

noun. lily, other large single flower

A Quenya noun for “lily” or more generally any “large flower”, cognate of Ad. inzil.

Conceptual Development: This word appeared in two forms with competing etymologies. In the early 1950s, it appeared as Q. insil, a loan word from Atani inzil, where the [[aq|[nz] became [ns]]] (PE19/99). A similar word indil appeared in the 1959-60 essay Quendi and Eldar, where it was a derivative of Valarin iniðil (WJ/399), with the middle i lost due to the Quenya syncope and then the [[q|spirant [ð] becoming the stop [d] after the nasal [n]]].

In the second scenario, Tolkien did not directly connect Q. indil to Ad. inzil, but the coincidence of forms is too great: Tolkien must have imagined a reverse loan from Valarin > Quenya > Atani. Perhaps this loan took place before the [ð] became [d] in Quenya ([[q|[nð] > [nd]]]), and the voiced spirant was adapted as the sibilant [z] in Atani because that language did not possess spirants in its earliest historical stages.

I personally prefer this second scenario and the form indil, because using the first scenario would require discarding one of our few Valarin words (iniðil).

Variations

  • insil ✧ PE19/099

Derivations

  • Ed. inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099
  • Val. iniðil “a lily, other large single flower” ✧ WJ/399

Cognates

  • Ad. inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099

Phonetic Developments

DevelopmentStagesSources
Ed. inzil > insil[inzil] > [insil]✧ PE19/099
Val. iniðil > indil[iniðil] > [inðil] > [indil]✧ WJ/399
Quenya [PE19/099; WJ/399] Group: Eldamo. Published by
Changes recorded: Information
· Deprecated version

indil

noun. lily, other large single flower

A Quenya noun for “lily” or more generally any “large flower”, cognate of Ad. inzil.

Conceptual Development: This word appeared in two forms with competing etymologies. In the early 1950s, it appeared as Q. insil, a loan word from Atani inzil, where the [[aq|[nz] became [ns]]] (PE19/99). Around 1960 a similar word indil appeared in the Quendi and Eldar essay as a derivative of Valarin iniðil (WJ/399), where the middle i was lost due to the Quenya syncope and then later the [[q|spirant [ð] became the stop [d] after the nasal [n]]].

In the second scenario, Tolkien did not directly connect Q. indil to Ad. inzil, but the coincidence of forms is too great: Tolkien must have imagined a reverse loan from Valarin > Quenya > Atani. Perhaps this loan took place before the [ð] became [d] in Quenya ([[q|[nð] > [nd]]]), and the voiced spirant was adapted as the sibilant [z] in Atani because that language did not possess spirants in its earliest historical stages.

I personally prefer this second scenario and the form indil, because using the first scenario would require discarding one of our few Valarin words (iniðil).

Variations

  • insil ✧ PE19/099

Derivations

  • Ed. inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099
  • Val. iniðil “a lily, other large single flower” ✧ WJ/399

Cognates

  • Ad. inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099

Phonetic Developments

DevelopmentStagesSources
Ed. inzil > insil[inzil] > [insil]✧ PE19/099
Val. iniðil > indil[iniðil] > [inðil] > [indil]✧ WJ/399
Quenya [PE19/099; WJ/399] Group: Eldamo. Published by
Changes recorded: Details
· Deprecated version

indil

noun. lily, other large single flower

A Quenya noun for “lily” or more generally any “large flower”, cognate of Ad. inzil.

Conceptual Development: This word appeared in two forms with competing etymologies. In the early 1950s, it appeared as Q. insil, a loan word from Atani inzil, where the [[aq|[nz] became [ns]]] (PE19/99). Around 1960 a similar word indil appeared in the Quendi and Eldar essay as a derivative of Valarin iniðil (WJ/399), where the middle i was lost due to the Quenya syncope and then later the [[q|spirant [ð] became the stop [d] after the nasal [n]]].

In the second scenario, Tolkien did not directly connect Q. indil to Ad. inzil, but the coincidence of forms is too great: Tolkien must have imagined a reverse loan from Valarin > Quenya > Atani. Perhaps this loan took place before the [ð] became [d] in Quenya ([[q|[nð] > [nd]]]), and the voiced spirant was adapted as the sibilant [z] in Atani because that language did not possess spirants in its earliest historical stages.

I personally prefer this second scenario and the form indil, because using the first scenario would require discarding one of our few Valarin words (iniðil).

Variations

  • insil ✧ PE19/099

Derivations

  • Ed. inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099
  • Val. iniðil “a lily, other large single flower” ✧ WJ/399

Cognates

  • Ad. inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099

Phonetic Developments

DevelopmentStagesSources
Ed. inzil > insil[inzil] > [insil]✧ PE19/099
Val. iniðil > indil[iniðil] > [inðil] > [indil]✧ WJ/399
Quenya [PE19/099; WJ/399] Group: Eldamo. Published by
Changes recorded: Information, Details
· Deprecated version

indil

noun. lily, other large single flower

A Quenya noun for “lily” or more generally any “large flower”, cognate of Ad. inzil.

Conceptual Development: This word appeared in two forms with competing etymologies. In the early 1950s, it appeared as Q. insil, a loan word from Atani inzil, where the [[aq:[nz] became [ns]]] (PE19/99). Around 1960 a similar word indil appeared in the Quendi and Eldar essay as a derivative of Valarin iniðil (WJ/399), where the middle i was lost due to the Quenya syncope and then later the [[q|spirant [ð] became the stop [d] after the nasal [n]]].

In the second scenario, Tolkien did not directly connect Q. indil to Ad. inzil, but the coincidence of forms is too great: Tolkien must have imagined a reverse loan from Valarin > Quenya > Atani. Perhaps this loan took place before the [ð] became [d] in Quenya ([[q|[nð] > [nd]]]), and the voiced spirant was adapted as the sibilant [z] in Atani because that language did not possess spirants in its earliest historical stages.

I personally prefer this second scenario and the form indil, because using the first scenario would require discarding one of our few Valarin words (iniðil).

Variations

  • insil ✧ PE19/099

Derivations

  • Ed. inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099
  • Val. iniðil “a lily, other large single flower” ✧ WJ/399

Cognates

  • Ad. inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099

Phonetic Developments

DevelopmentStagesSources
Ed. inzil > insil[inzil] > [insil]✧ PE19/099
Val. iniðil > indil[iniðil] > [inðil] > [indil]✧ WJ/399
Quenya [PE19/099; WJ/399] Group: Eldamo. Published by
Changes recorded: Information
· Deprecated version

indil

noun. lily, other large single flower

A Quenya noun for “lily” or more generally any “large flower”, cognate of Ad. inzil.

Conceptual Development: This word appeared in two forms with competing etymologies. In the early 1950s, it appeared as Q. insil, a loan word from Atani inzil, where the [[aq:[nz] became [ns]]] (PE19/99). Around 1960 a similar word indil appeared in the Quendi and Eldar essay as a derivative of Valarin iniðil (WJ/399), where the middle i was lost due to the Quenya syncope and then later the [[q|spirant [ð] became the stop [d] after the nasal [n]]].

In the second scenario, Tolkien did not directly connect Q. indil to Ad. inzil, but the coincidence of forms is too great: Tolkien must have imagined a reverse loan from Valarin > Quenya > Atani. Perhaps this loan took place before the [ð] became [d] in Quenya ([[q|[nð] > [nd]]]), and the voiced spirant was adapted as the sibilant [z] in Atani because that language did not possess spirants in its earliest historical stages.

I personally prefer this second scenario and the form indil, because using the first scenario would require discarding one of our few Valarin words (iniðil).

Variations

  • insil ✧ PE19/099

Derivations

  • Ed. inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099
  • Val. iniðil “a lily, other large single flower” ✧ WJ/399

Cognates

  • Ad. inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099

Phonetic Developments

DevelopmentStagesSources
Ed. inzil > insil[inzil] > [insil]✧ PE19/099
Val. iniðil > indil[iniðil] > [inðil] > [indil]✧ WJ/399
Quenya [PE19/099; WJ/399] Group: Eldamo. Published by
· Deprecated version

indil

noun. lily, other large single flower

A Quenya noun for “lily” or more generally any “large flower”, cognate of Ad. inzil.

Conceptual Development: This word appeared in two forms with competing etymologies. In the early 1950s, it appeared as Q. insil, a loan word from Atani inzil, where the [[aq:[nz] became [ns]]] (PE19/99). Around 1960 a similar word indil appeared in the Quendi and Eldar essay as a derivative of Valarin iniðil (WJ/399), where the middle i was lost due to the Quenya syncope and then later the [[q|spirant [ð] became the stop [d] after the nasal [n]]].

In the second scenario, Tolkien did not directly connect Q. indil to Ad. inzil, but the coincidence of forms is too great: Tolkien must have imagined a reverse loan from Valarin > Quenya > Atani. Perhaps this loan took place before the [ð] became [d] in Quenya ([[q|[nð] > [nd]]]), and the voiced spirant was adapted as the sibilant [z] in Atani because that language did not possess spirants in its earliest historical stages.

I personally prefer this second scenario and the form indil, because using the first scenario would require discarding one of our few Valarin words (iniðil).

Variations

  • insil ✧ PE19/099

Derivations

  • Ed. inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099
  • Val. iniðil “a lily, other large single flower” ✧ WJ/399

Cognates

  • Ad. inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099

Phonetic Developments

DevelopmentStagesSources
Ed. inzil > insil[inzil] > [insil]✧ PE19/099
Val. iniðil > indil[iniðil] > [inðil] > [indil]✧ WJ/399
Quenya [PE19/099; WJ/399] Group: Eldamo. Published by
· Deprecated version

indil

noun. lily, other large single flower

A Quenya noun for “lily” or more generally any “large flower”, cognate of Ad. inzil.

Conceptual Development: This word appeared in two forms with competing etymologies. In the early 1950s, it appeared as Q. insil, a loan word from Atani inzil, where the [[aq:[nz] became [ns]]] (PE19/99). Around 1960 a similar word indil appeared in the Quendi and Eldar essay as a derivative of Valarin iniðil (WJ/399), where the middle i was lost due to the Quenya syncope and then later the [[q|spirant [ð] became the stop [d] after the nasal [n]]].

In the second scenario, Tolkien did not directly connect Q. indil to Ad. inzil, but the coincidence of forms is too great: Tolkien must have imagined a reverse loan from Valarin > Quenya > Atani. Perhaps this loan took place before the [ð] became [d] in Quenya ([[q|[nð] > [nd]]]), and the voiced spirant was adapted as the sibilant [z] in Atani because that language did not possess spirants in its earliest historical stages.

I personally prefer this second scenario and the form indil, because using the first scenario would require discarding one of our few Valarin words (iniðil).

Variations

  • insil ✧ PE19/099

Derivations

  • Ed. inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099
  • Val. iniðil “a lily, other large single flower” ✧ WJ/399

Cognates

  • Ad. inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099

Phonetic Developments

DevelopmentStagesSources
Ed. inzil > insil[inzil] > [insil]✧ PE19/099
Val. iniðil > indil[iniðil] > [inðil] > [indil]✧ WJ/399
Quenya [PE19/099; WJ/399] Group: Eldamo. Published by
· Deprecated version

indil

noun. lily, other large single flower

A Quenya noun for “lily” or more generally any “large flower”, cognate of Ad. inzil.

Conceptual Development: This word appeared in two forms with competing etymologies. In the early 1950s, it appeared as Q. insil, a loan word from Atani inzil, where the [[aq:[nz] became [ns]]] (PE19/99). Around 1960 a similar word indil appeared in the Quendi and Eldar essay as a derivative of Valarin iniðil (WJ/399), where the middle i was lost due to the Quenya syncope and then later the [[q|spirant [ð] became the stop [d] after the nasal [n]]].

In the second scenario, Tolkien did not directly connect Q. indil to Ad. inzil, but the coincidence of forms is too great: Tolkien must have imagined a reverse loan from Valarin > Quenya > Atani. Perhaps this loan took place before the [ð] became [d] in Quenya ([[q|[nð] > [nd]]]), and the voiced spirant was adapted as the sibilant [z] in Atani because that language did not possess spirants in its earliest historical stages.

I personally prefer this second scenario and the form indil, because using the first scenario would require discarding one of our few Valarin words (iniðil).

Variations

  • insil ✧ PE19/099

Derivations

  • Ed. inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099
  • Val. iniðil “a lily, other large single flower” ✧ WJ/399

Cognates

  • Ad. inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099

Phonetic Developments

DevelopmentStagesSources
Ed. inzil > insil[inzil] > [insil]✧ PE19/099
Val. iniðil > indil[iniðil] > [inðil] > [indil]✧ WJ/399
Quenya [PE19/099; WJ/399] Group: Eldamo. Published by
· Deprecated version

indil

noun. lily, other large single flower

A Quenya noun for “lily” or more generally any “large flower”, cognate of Ad. inzil.

Conceptual Development: This word appeared in two forms with competing etymologies. In the early 1950s, it appeared as Q. insil, a loan word from Atani inzil, where the [[aq:[nz] became [ns]]] (PE19/99). Around 1960 a similar word indil appeared in the Quendi and Eldar essay as a derivative of Valarin iniðil (WJ/399), where the middle i was lost due to the Quenya syncope and then later the [[q|spirant [ð] became the stop [d] after the nasal [n]]].

In the second scenario, Tolkien did not directly connect Q. indil to Ad. inzil, but the coincidence of forms is too great: Tolkien must have imagined a reverse loan from Valarin > Quenya > Atani. Perhaps this loan took place before the [ð] became [d] in Quenya ([[q|[nð] > [nd]]]), and the voiced spirant was adapted as the sibilant [z] in Atani because that language did not possess spirants in its earliest historical stages.

I personally prefer this second scenario and the form indil, because using the first scenario would require discarding one of our few Valarin words (iniðil).

Variations

  • insil ✧ PE19/099

Derivations

  • Ed. inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099
  • Val. iniðil “a lily, other large single flower” ✧ WJ/399

Cognates

  • Ad. inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099

Phonetic Developments

DevelopmentStagesSources
Ed. inzil > insil[inzil] > [insil]✧ PE19/099
Val. iniðil > indil[iniðil] > [inðil] > [indil]✧ WJ/399
Quenya [PE19/099; WJ/399] Group: Eldamo. Published by
· Deprecated version

indil

noun. lily, other large single flower

A Quenya noun for “lily” or more generally any “large flower”, cognate of Ad. inzil.

Conceptual Development: This word appeared in two forms with competing etymologies. In the early 1950s, it appeared as Q. insil, a loan word from Atani inzil, where the [nz] became [ns] (PE19/99). Around 1960 a similar word indil appeared in the Quendi and Eldar essay as a derivative of Valarin iniðil (WJ/399), where the middle i was lost due to the Quenya syncope and then later the spirant [ð] became the stop [d] after the nasal [n].

In the second scenario, Tolkien did not directly connect Q. indil to Ad. inzil, but the coincidence of forms is too great: Tolkien must have imagined a reverse loan from Valarin > Quenya > Atani. Perhaps this loan took place before the [ð] became [d] in Quenya ([nð] > [nd]), and the voiced spirant was adapted as the sibilant [z] in Atani because that language did not possess spirants in its earliest historical stages.

I personally prefer this second scenario and the form indil, because using the first scenario would require discarding one of our few Valarin words (iniðil).

Variations

  • insil ✧ PE19/099.1407
  • indil ✧ WJ/399.1401

Cognates

  • inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099.1310

Derivations

  • < inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099.1308
  • < iniðil “a lily, other large single flower” ✧ WJ/399.1410
    < iniðil “a lily, other large single flower” ✧ WJ/399.1410
Quenya [PE19/099.1407; WJ/399.1401] Group: Eldamo. Published by
· Deprecated version

indil

noun. lily, other large single flower

association suggested by editor’s note #148, PE19/99

Variations

  • insil ✧ PE19/099.1407
  • indil ✧ WJ/399.1401

Cognates

  • inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099.1310

Derivations

  • < inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099.1308
    < inzil, borrowing from the language of Atani ✧ PE19/099.1308
  • < iniðil “a lily, other large single flower” ✧ WJ/399.1410
Quenya [PE19/099.1407; WJ/399.1401] Group: Eldamo. Published by
· Deprecated version

indil

noun. a lily, other large single flower, lily, other large single flower

association suggested by editor’s note #148, PE19/00 99

Variations

  • insil ✧ PE19/099.1407
  • indil ✧ WJ/399.1401

Cognates

  • inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099.1310

Derivations

  • < inzil “flower, lily” ✧ PE19/099.1308
    < inzil, borrowing from the language of Atani ✧ PE19/099.1308
  • < iniðil “a lily, other large single flower” ✧ WJ/399.1410
Quenya [PE19/099.1407; WJ/399.1401] Group: Eldamo. Published by