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Middle Primitive Elvish


root. surround, fence, ward, hedge in, secrete

A root in The Etymologies of the 1930s glossed “surround, fence, ward, hedge in, secrete”, with derivatives like N. thora- “fence” and Ilk. thúren “guarded, hidden”, the latter serving as an element in the names Ilk. Thuringwethil “(Woman of) Secret Shadow” and Ilk. Garthurian “Hidden Realm” (Ety/THUR). Both these names survived in later versions of The Silmarillion (S/178; WJ/189), and later names like S. Thurin “Secret” and S. Thuringud “Hidden Foe” (UT/157; WJ/256) imply the ongoing validity of this root, though the survival of u in S. thurin is rather mysterious; David Salo suggested the ancient form might originally have been thūrin(e) (GS/291).

The earliest precursor to Garthurian was G. Gar Furion “Secret Place” from the 1910s (PE13/102; PE15/24), which was based on the unglossed root ᴱ√FURU or ᴱ√HURU from the Qenya Lexicon of the 1910s with derivatives like ᴱQ. furin/G. furion “secret, hidden, concealed” and Q. furu/G. fûr “a lie” (QL/39; GL/36). In the Lost Tales of this period, Tolkien changed {G. Gar Furion >>} G. Gar Thurion (LT2/202), so it seems the shift from ᴱ√FURU >> ✱√ÞURU was very early.


  • ᴹ✶thaurēnā “*fenced” ✧ Ety/THUR
    • N. thoren “*fenced” ✧ Ety/THUR
  • N. thora- “to fence” ✧ Ety/THUR
  • Ilk. thúren “guarded, hidden” ✧ Ety/THUR

Element in

  • N. Arthoren “Fenced Realm” ✧ Ety/ƷAR|GARAT; Ety/ƷAR|GARAT
  • N. Garthoren “Fenced Fort” ✧ Ety/ƷAR|GARAT
  • S. thurin “secret, hidden”
  • Ilk. thúren “guarded, hidden”
Middle Primitive Elvish [Ety/ƷAR|GARAT; Ety/THUR] Group: Eldamo. Published by