thindrim

collective name. Sindar

A Sindarin equivalent of Q. Sindar (VT41/9), a combination of thind “grey” and the class-plural suffix -rim.

Cognates

• Q. Sinda “Grey-elf” ✧ VT41/09

Elements

Word	Gloss
thind	“grey, grey, [N.] pale”
-rim	“collective or group plural”

mithrim

place name. Sindar

A lake in northwest Beleriand (S/106) named after the Elves who lived there (WJ/378). This name was the inspiration for Q. Sindar (PE17/140), and is a combination of mith “grey” and the class-plural suffix -rim (SA/mith, rim).

Conceptual Development: In the earliest Lost Tales, this lake was called G. Asgon (L1T1/238, GL/20), revised to ᴱN. Mithrim towards the end of the tales (LT2/202). The form N. Mithrim appeared in Silmarillion drafts from the 1930s (SM/4, LR/249), and also in The Etymologies, but with its first element being N. mith “white fog, wet mist” and its second element N. rhim “cold pool or lake (in mountains)”, hence “✱Mist Lake” (Ety/MITH, RINGI). The derivation from the name of the people came later (WJ/378), perhaps inspired in the real world by Q. Sindar, the reverse of the inspiration in the fictional world.

Element in

• S. Mithrimin

Elements

Word	Gloss
mith	“grey, light grey, pale grey”
-rim	“collective or group plural”

thend

noun. *Sinda, Grey-Elf

Changes

• thind → thend ✧ PE17/140
• thinið → thineð ✧ PE17/141

Cognates

• Q. Sinda “Grey-elf” ✧ PE17/141; PE17/140; PE17/141

Derivations

• ✶thindā “grey” ✧ PE17/141; PE17/141
  • √THIN “*grey”

Element in

• S. Thenneth “*Grey-Elf (f.)” ✧ PE17/140; PE17/140; PE17/141; PE17/141
• S. Thennor “*Grey-Elf (m.)” ✧ PE17/140; PE17/140; PE17/141; PE17/141

Phonetic Developments

Development	Stages	Sources
✶thindā > thenn	[tʰindā] > [tʰinda] > [θinda] > [θenda] > [θend] > [θenn]	✧ PE17/141
✶thinida > thineð	[tʰinida] > [θinida] > [θineda] > [θineða] > [θineð]	✧ PE17/141

Variations

• thend ✧ PE17/140; PE17/141 (thend)
• thind ✧ PE17/140 (thind)
• Thinn(d) ✧ PE17/140
• thenn ✧ PE17/141
• Thind ✧ PE17/141
• thineð ✧ PE17/141
• thinið ✧ PE17/141 (thinið)

mîth

noun. *Sinda, Grey-Elf

Derivations

• ✶mītha “*grey” ✧ PE17/140
  • √MITH “grey”

Element in

• S. Mithres “Grey-Elf (f.)” ✧ PE17/140; PE17/140 (mithrel*)
• S. Mithron “*Grey-Elf (m.)” ✧ PE17/140

Phonetic Developments

Development	Stages	Sources
✶mītha > mîth	[mītha] > [mīth]	✧ PE17/140

Variations

• mîth ✧ PE17/140
• maeth ✧ PE17/140
• mith ✧ PE17/140
• maiþ ✧ PE17/140 (maiþ)
• mĭth ✧ PE17/140 (mĭth)

send

sinda

#send (i hend, o send, construct sen) _(probably a term only used by the Noldor, borrowed from Quenya Sinda)_, pl. sind (i sind), coll. pl. Sendrim (the only attested form) = Quenya Sindar. As coll. pl. also Thindrim (VT41:9). The Sindar could also be called Eluwaith (e.g. _Elu-_people, the subjects of Elu Thingol: Elu + gwaith); this word was maybe only used in the First Age when Thingol was alive. The Sindar called themselves ELVES; see under FORSAKEN.

send

sinda

(i hend, o send, construct sen) (probably a term only used by the Noldor, borrowed from Quenya Sinda), pl. sind (i sind), coll. pl. Sendrim (the only attested form) = Quenya Sindar. As coll. pl. also Thindrim (VT41:9). The Sindar could also be called Eluwaith (e.g. Elu-people, the subjects of Elu Thingol: Elu + gwaith); this word was maybe only used in the First Age when Thingol was alive. The Sindar called themselves