Replacement for ennas?

Gwilithiel #3122

Ennas is a rejected draft word that doesn't belong in Sindarin, but it is still glossed in the dictionary as a normal gloss without additional notes. Perhaps a note on its rejection should be added to the gloss?

Also, what neologisms could replace ennas to mean "there" (adv.)? I notice that there currently is the gloss *tass "then/there." Maybe this could work, but the creator of this gloss has found it problematic in that it should only be spatial, not temporal, and has recommended *taw/to "then" for the temporal form. I'm not sure if this is widely agreed upon in the Tolkienian linguistic community yet, and I'd love to hear other suggestions if there are any.

Aldaleon #3123

Mae govannen, Gwilithiel!

I wasn’t aware that ennas is now considered rejected! I thought it’s fairly well established by the community from the King’s Letter. What’s your source?

aldaleon

Gwilithiel #3124

I was informed that ennas was rejected from a conversation with Elaran regarding the concept of "there is" in Sindarin. I still have yet to ask him for the exact source, but I assumed that his statement was established by the linguistic community, as he is very well connected to it.

Ellanto #3125

The crux of Elaran's argument against ennas, as far as I understand it from my own conversations with him, is that the King's Letter is a relatively early text which does not neatly fall into the conceptual stage of "Sindarin", but is rather more representative of late "Noldorin" (i.e. the conceptual precursor of Sindarin), or at most a transitionary stage betweent the two.

Concepts conceived at the Noldorin conceptual stage can often be adapted to fit Sindarin (e.g. Noldorin auth "war" cannot work in Sindarin due to differences in phonological evolution between Noldorin and Sindarin, but it can be easily updated to oeth, which does work in Sindarin). However, not everything can be adapted/updated as easily.

Elaran's argument against ennas here is that it seems to be the sole attestation of the root √EN with the sense "yonder, over there" in the Sindarin branch of Elvish; as such, since there are no attestations of this root in conceptually later Sindarin, Elaran argues that this root cannot be applied to Sindarin (or at least it is not safe to assume so), and should be treated as a Quenya-only root.

A further argument he raised is that ennas, being likely derived from a primitive form ✶entassē, itself likely containing the strengthened form of the locative preposition ✶sē, is the only attested example of the strengthened form of ✶sē in the Sindarin branch of Elvish; thus, again, he argues that it is inapplicable in the later conceptual stage of Sindarin.

Having said all of this, two things must be pointed out: (1) Tolkien never, as far as I know, explicitly rejected any of this himself, this is merely the result of an analysis of the data; (2) there is no strong consensus on the matter as such within the linguistic community (of which I am a member myself).

Though I will not deny that Elaran's argument is very much valid, I myself disagree with it. It boils down to a difference in approach: I see no issue with reflexes of √EN in Sindarin, seeing as Tolkien did at some (not very early) point apply this root to both languages, and never (as far as I know) explicitly reject that attestation nor explicitly contradict it or state that the root is Quenya-only.

As for proposed alternatives, ta/to/taw as reflexes of √TA can work for "then, that, there", and taw is also attested as "thither" (and as "wood"). These work well enough, and I use them myself (interchangeably with derivatives of √EN). But I would not say they are definitive replacements of ennas, because I do not think a replacement is definitevely warranted in the first place.

Gwilithiel #3126

That makes sense, thank you so much for the explanation!