Relatively simple transcribe I hope!

Estel #306

Hi All, First of all, what a fantastic site of information in respect to the Tolkien languages. Well done to all those who have contributed to it!

Secondly, like many of the discussions, I am looking for some help in translating a phrase to Sindarin, both in words and script. The phrase i want to translate is:

Forge your own path.

Despite the obvious references to forging of swords and rings within the books there does not seem to be a Sindarin word equivalent for forge. In Quenya it would appear to be tamin. Is it safe to assume that the same word would be used in Sindarin or have I just offended half the elves and all the language expets with such a crude simplistic suggestion?

Anyway I would greatly appreciate any advice on how to translate this and what it would look like in Sindarin script.

Thanks in advance.

Aldaleon #311

Hi and welcome to Parf Edhellen!

Your sentence is actually surprisingly difficult to translate into elvish because there is no known way to say “your own” in Sindarin. Therefore, I have gone ahead and transcribed it using the English mode of Tengwar. Just as pretty, don’t you think?

Forge your own path

Estel #314

Thanks for your warm welcome Aldaleon and for your advice around the phrase.

Are there perhaps any alternatives that would convey the same or similar meaning? For example could I perhaps use Caro lín râd (Make thy path)? I am not sure of the sentence structure here either but would appreciate any further advice you could provide.

Thanks again

Aldaleon #316

Certainly! You can translate:

Caro den i ven lín
caro den i ven lín
Forge [it] your path

Based on the Lord's prayer.

Estel #318

Thanks again Aldaleon.

I understand (I think) most of what you have provided but I am lost a bit on the path (ha ha lost on the path, perhaps it is mirkwood). I am assuming by deduction that your use of 'ven' in the elvish part represents path but I can't find any other reference to this term and thought that râd was the Sindarin word for path? Can you clarify for me please.


Quildamo #319

*ven represents men, which means ”path” and has undergone soft mutation due to it being the object of the verb car-, which is derived from Q: car-.

Estel #320

Oh ok then. Thank you both very much for the advice provided.